Bro Tomahawk, your story is very touching indeed. I thought that I’m very “chi qing”, but you are much, much more “chi qing” than me!!!
Please be aware that Vietnamese girls are very street-smart, and you have no idea what they are doing behind your back in Vietnam. Please spend more time observing your gal before plunging deeper into this relationship. Although I don’t know you personally, I don’t wish to see you getting hurt. Please be careful, take care, and all the best to you.
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Thanks Bry_n, japboy, Minihawk, faszcom, Reaper, Odysseus and haha_123 for your comments. Thanks for enduring with me through this very long story… It’s so ironical isn’t it? I was in Saigon for only 4D/3N yet I could write a story that spanned four pages. That’s not “chi qing” but “cheong hei”.
japboy, sorry, I disappeared for so long. I did come in to this forum once in a few months just to “see-see-look-look” but this time round, my encounter in Saigon proved too much for me to bear. I wanted to share my experience with brothers here, like how I posted my story about Tingting back in 2004 – I’m still in contact with her.
Part of my reason for starting this thread is that I needed some advice from the brothers here on the status of my relationship with Lan. I sort of have the answer now, due to further developments in the past month. As I said in the story, I had a good farewell with Lan, after I learnt that she had gone off with that angmoh due to family reasons/financial difficulties. However, over the next few days, I began to have some doubts. I got conflicting signals… You know, when I arrived home, I called up this girl, and between talking to her, I could hear her talking excitedly to her housemates, “…. Singapore!” She sounded really happy that I called her and I had no doubt then that she liked me.
However, thinking back, I also recalled seeing a few tell-tale signs during our last moments together. Remember my final time at Bar Stop? Lan’s friend Lien had told me that Lan had been sleeping with men all the while, but the following day, at Highlands Coffee, the story changed. They claimed that Lan had arrived in Saigon only the week before. Also, if Lan’s mum had been hospitalised, would she still have been in the mood to do dancing at Lush? There are a couple other things that I could recall back then that make me doubt Lan, but I can’t recall every detail now.
However, through all the things that we have been through, I now know for sure that she likes me. Remember that she keeps telling me about her mum (sharing her family matters with me) and she wants me to visit Saigon so that her mum and I can meet; Her mum has been very curious about me too. There was also once that she let me talk to her housemate and the latter actually said that Lan liked me a lot and that if I really cared for her, I should send US$100 to her so that she could buy stuff. I was taken aback and did not promise anything. I thought that came from Lan, and I felt funny that she would ask me for money. The next thing I knew, Lan sent me an SMS with just one word, “Sorry”. I didn’t know what she meant, and when I called her up to test her, Lan said that the US$100 thing was from her housemate, and she didn’t know beforehand that that this would happen. “I don’t like!” she proclaimed loudly in her usual Vietnamese-laced tone then (OK, I’m getting dramatic here again!)
Having said all that, I’m not saying that she’s not doing anything behind my back. Indeed, while I believe Lan when she told me that she’s now working in a restaurant (She said she doesn’t like working in Bar Stop), I’m not so sure that she goes straight home at 10pm. She doesn’t respond to my SMS after that time and she always wakes up late every morning, sometimes even at lunchtime. I’m not discounting the possibility that she’s moonlighting in Bar Stop or somewhere else. After all, she does need money and has not been asking me for any. For one thing, she used to earn so much more in Bar Stop. Kym, her boss was paying her 1,000,000 Dong (S$100) a day when I knew them, much more than than what she got in the previous workplace… so going back to a restaurant is a downgrade. For all I know, she may still be following men back home every night. For all I know, she may have other boyfriends too.
However, do you believe it, I can close one eye to this. The reason is that I myself am not entirely faithful to her. Besides Lan, I keep in touch with Tingting in Shenzhen and another girl (I got to know her in Embassy Lounge at Pretchaburi) in Bangkok. The difference between this relationship and others is that I’m more committed to Lan than the other two girls. This is the first time I’ve ever picked up somebody in a nightspot, and she’s the first one who’s so young and pretty. And I’ve chased her hard and long enough that she now treats me as her bf, and I don’t want to lose her. I want to bed her eventually. She can be my part-time gf in Saigon, just like I know I have someone to meet when I visit Shenzhen and Bangkok in future.
By the way, all these is happening when I have a Queen at home. So brothers blue_swatch and haha_123 shouldn’t have worries about me over-committing into this relationship. It’s just me… I have a loving wife at home, but I still have the lusty side in me. Sigh… In fact, when signs began to emerge that Lan really likes me and is prepared to show me to her mum, etc, I began to feel guilty. Though she had played me out in Saigon, now I feel that I am the bad guy. Till today, she believes that this good man in Singapore would eventually marry her and bring her back to Singapore, when the furthest I’m willing to go is a LDR and good bonks when I visit Saigon.
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Brothers, I want to ask something about the hotels. You all have obviously been around so you’ll have a better idea than me.
OK, so all hotels in Vietnam are not girl-friendly, right? The rules don’t allow non-married locals to be in the same room after 9pm. I did read about this in some Caucasian’s blog as well.. He was recounting his encounters in Saigon and Nha Trang.
However, this rule isn’t strictly enforced, yah? The bigger hotels like Mondial and Caravelle take the rule seriously, however, the budget ones like those in the Phan Ngu Lao area find their ways around the law. No wonder Lan and I were able to sneak into the hotel on our first night. But I’m curious about something… if the law prohibits unmarried couples to be together, how come girls are allowed to go in just by showing their ICs? Is this IC thing the law or just the hotels’ own requirements?
Ok at least now we know wat’s happening and u already have an OC at home.
But whatever cock and bull story they cook up, take it with a pinch of salt. Not that I know Vietnamese very well but probably a bit more than u do. Well im sure u r old enough to make your own decisions but I guess ur confused and tempted now as a STY just tried to hook u up. Believe me, if it is not Lan, it will probably be some other girls in saigon that u will be writing about now. Like i said, i strongly believe we are just a passport for them out of poverty. Words are cheap, especially from someone whom u met at such a place, worse still from a 18 years old (if i remember correctly). Wat is she doing there in the 1st place at her age.
Just bonk and move on at best my friend. Seperately, its supposed to be enforced strictly, especially at large hotels. But at lower end hotels, owners there probably want to make more money and hence it is loosely enforced.
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But whatever cock and bull story they cook up, take it with a pinch of salt. Not that I know Vietnamese very well but probably a bit more than u do. Well im sure u r old enough to make your own decisions but I guess ur confused and tempted now as a STY just tried to hook u up. Believe me, if it is not Lan, it will probably be some other girls in saigon that u will be writing about now. Like i said, i strongly believe we are just a passport for them out of poverty. Words are cheap, especially from someone whom u met at such a place, worse still from a 18 years old (if i remember correctly). Wat is she doing there in the 1st place at her age.
Very well said, bro blue_swatch. No matter what we do, or how much fun we had outside, we always return to our wife and kids at the end of the day.
As for gal-friendly hotels, there are nice 3-star hotels along Le Thanh Ton St and Thu Khoa Huan St. These hotels are located next to Ben Thanh Market and cost about 40 USD per night. Just register the gal with her ID at the Front Desk, and nobody will disturb you throughout the night.
Thanks brothers… No need to worry about me. I’m not going to give up my family for those SYTs anytime soon! Like you said, it’s just bonks that I’m looking for, although I have to admit the experience of having girls chase you is nice.
I don’t normally get to experience anything like that… Of course, the fact that the subject matter now is a pretty, fair 18-year-old makes it more compelling.
Hope you don’t mind, but I’m confused about the hotel thing. So, officially girls are not allowed to stay with foreigners in the same room after 9pm, but this is rarely enforced in the lower-grade hotels. But why does haha_123 say that asking the girl to produce her IC would ensure no one disturbs us? Does a girl’s IC at the Front Desk ensure that the police won’t raid our room? I don’t quite get it…
In any case, I’ll be heading for Saigon again next month. My girl has promised to take a couple of days’ leave to keep me company, so I’m planning to have her bunk in with me. So when I check in to the hotel, do I tell them I want a single room or a double room, and do I need her IC? Will they allow us to check in together? Remember I’m not bringing her to a room after 12am for a short stay, but rather I’m checking both of us in as guests for 2 nights upon arrival (my flight lands in the mid-afternoon). How does this work?
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The way that you had narrated your story (that you cried and things like that) suggests that you wants Lan to be your girlfriend (mistress) and not just a fuck buddy? I am sure this will somehow strain your relationship with your OC. Personally, I find it very difficult to have feelings for more than 1 gal.
I’m not sure how to explain this too. I do like Lan, but I also do know that it’s not possible for us to be together. It’s like saying that I want us to be together but only for as long as we can maintain this relationship. So, this is a BGR, and it’s an LDR, but I can already foresee that it won’t last forever. While Lan wants us to be together eventually (and move to Singapore) I can already foresee that we’ll break up eventually.
A few weeks back, we had an emotional chat on the phone, during which she asked if I was married. Of course, I did the “right” thing, in order not to lose her and to secure the heart of this xiao meimei. So, even till today, I’m lying to her. I don’t know how else to maintain a non-BGR and no-strings-attached relationship with her. I don’t have to resort to this with Tingting (Shenzhen) and the other girl (Bangkok) coz they were massage girls to begin with; They know we can’t be together and Tingting does know I’m married. I guess the backgrounds of these girls are different. Tell me, given that I picked Lan up in a disco, how would I be able to continue a relationship with her, and be able to bonk her whenever I go to Saigon, without giving her the false impression that I’m single? I’m not sure if there’ll be an answer.
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faszcom
Some say yes, some say no…Like what Bro Reaper said, all hotel in HCM is non gal-friendly, which it should be true.
Just that i’m lucky enough to get a hotel which it “gal-friendly”, hence i thought all those budget private own hotel is gal-friendly. Btw, even i go to Vung Tao, my gal allow to stay with me without booking additional room, but that a motel.
Anyway you may try New Asia hotel in district 3, the recpt speak Chinese and lot of Taiwanese stay there.
Brother faszcom, can you let me know which hotel this is? The first one you’re referring to. I’m looking to getting a hotel in District 1, in the Pham Ngu Lao Ward, coz it’s near everywhere. I’m also more familiar with that area, having been to Bar Stop, Lan’s place and the Ben Thanh Market.
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But for less fanciful 3-star hotels such as Sunflower and Lan Lan Hotel(along Bui Thi Xuan St), Spring Hotel(along Le Thanh Ton St) and Lan Lan2 Hotel(along Thu Khoa Huan St), this rule is not applied strictly.
You sure about Spring Hotel? I know from my own experience that this is not the case. Spring Hotel does bar unmarried Vietnamese girls from entry. Or maybe I happened to meet an over-zealous Front Desk staff then.
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You can register at the Front Desk with your passport, together with the girl’s ID. You can ask for a double-bed, and they’ll even give you breakfast coupon for two. In these hotels, I’ve seen ang-mohs checking-in with 2 Vietnamese syts around his arm, and nobody bat an eye-lid. Nobody will call your room and ask your girl to leave by 11pm.
OK this is confusing. So upon “proper” check in, if I’m staying for a few days, and I’m bringing a girl along, I need my passport AND her ID. However, if I’m just there for transit (a few hours) late at night, they only need the girl’s ID, as per my experience with Lan at the unnamed hotel?
Let me ask something. So once the hotel accepts the girl’s ID, the police won’t come right? If the police are coming, the hotel will have known about in advance and they wouldn’t have accepted us? Am I interpreting it correctly?
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haha_123
By the way, you should check-into Lan Lan Hotel or Lan Lan2 Hotel because your girl’s name is Lan.
Lan is a fictitious name I created for this girl. But I could consider these hotels. How about others like An An and Duna, and others listed here:
Accomodation in Phan Ngu Lao
Cheap Budget Hotels
… and of course there are many similar directories.
How do I know which are the girl-friendly hotels (technically, the hotels which do allow me to bring in girls) and which are not?
By the way, this Caucasian wrote about
The Giant Dragon and Duna
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haha_123
At the gal-friendly hotels, you will need to register at the Front Desk with your passport and your gal’s ID. So far I have never heard about any raids carried out by the police to check if there are unmarried couple staying together in the hotel room. I guess they have other better things to do.
Thanks for that haha_123. I wonder why I wasn’t asked for my passport (or at least my ID) when Lan brought me to that unnamed hotel after our trysts at Apocalypse Now and Bar Stop. This girl simply produced her IC, I paid 300,000 Dong, and we were led upstairs. I don’t get it… Maybe she told the owner that she was there only for a short stay and they closed one eye.
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haha_123
Sorry but I have not stayed in any transit hotels(something like Hotel 81) in Vietnam. I don’t even know that such hotels exist in Ho Chi Minh city.
I’m not sure if such hotels exist too. I was just generalising when I asked about short stays.