Wife and I have been doing soft swing lifestyle for maybe 2 years now. Soft swing (or soft play) means all kinds of play, oral sex, sucking, fingering, etc. but no penetration sex. Obviously this is done with a 3rd party. Normally my wife would go for a massage, and during the massage, the playing also follows.
She have three regular masseurs and a few more irregular ones who did it only once. The massages are free since the guy also enjoy the soft play. I’ve always arranged for these sessions, and sometimes I wait outside the room, but for the regular ones I’m not present. I leave them alone to have the privacy. As I said, these massages have been going on quite regularly for about 2 years now.
I have a fetish of another man having sex with my wife, so whenever she goes for these massages, I encourage her to increase the hot meter, and let the guy penetrate her. She have always refused, and insisted that having sex crosses the threshold and she don’t want to do that.
So it has always remained with soft play and I also have given up the idea of another man entering her.
Recently I arranged for a new guy to give her a sensual massage. His name is SS. I even have to pay SS his massage service. One of the rarer times, but this one is not free massage. This is the first session with SS and for some reason, I decided to put a spy cam in the room. And I didn’t tell my wife because I wanted her to be herself and not worry that I will see what they are doing.
But when I viewed the footage, I was surprised to see that after the massage, she actually had sex with SS. My adrenaline and blood was pumping when I saw SS banging her - that I was thinking are they having sex? I viewed the footage over again, enlarged, brightened, slow-motion, etc. and yup, she was having sex with him. Hell, I was very excited. It was like a fantasy come true. I was not angry at all as I’ve been encouraging her all this time.
But when I asked her if they had sex, she said no. Only play and masturbate.
So I’m quite puzzled. She doesn’t know I know. And come to think of it, she’s probably been having sex with her other masseurs too all this time (which is a long time). She have at least a few regulars, and a few more once-off. All were arranged by me. So I actually succeeded in asking her to have sex with another man without knowing it. I feel this is so weird and twisted as it was happening right under my nose.
After the last massage, she asked me to arrange a weekly massage with SS as his service is very good. So I already know she will be having sex with SS regularly too. And to add to that, I have to pay him for his service. He agreed to a discount of his normal rates, and charged only nominal fees. But I’m still dazed at the idea of paying a guy to have sex with my wife - I thought its the other way around as she is an attractive woman. I could put up a thread for fuck buddy at a swinger’s website and many guys would be in queue and do it for free.
And add to that, her work requires her to go out and meet clients. It makes me think who else is she having sex with? Why won’t she tell me - afterall I’ve been asking her try it.
And even more weird is that I’m going to arrange for the weekly session with SS and probably sign up a monthly massage package with him. And I find it really arousing of him entering her. And I won’t tell her/them that I know about it.
I was also thinking of putting a spy cam with her regular masseurs to see if it ends with sex too (actually I know it does, but seeing is always believing). Right now she’s outside meeting a client. Sometimes it makes me think if there is anything more going on? I wouldn’t know.
But why do you think she hides it from me (when I condone it)?
We are all weird (me included), but let’s hear your thoughts. Constructively please.
Thank you all. I’ll put all my replies in a single post.
But firstly, for those who can’t accept this swinging lifestyle, then please hit the back button and refrain from responding. This is not the thread for you.
Wolfgang, I read your post. Similar resemblance. This generally doesn’t happen on the first few years of marriage, but as married life progresses, 3rd party fantasy or desires start to take root. Whether its exhibitionism, 3some, swapping, fantasies, cuckold, etc. And there are more couples out there than we know or dare to admit.
For anyone who think these are rare - then I think he’s living in a closet.
All, I’m not distressed, or heartbroken, etc. Thinking about it gets me excited and has spiced up our sex life. And if there’s any wrongdoing, I take full responsibility - because it was me who set it up, and encouraged her. So if she took the bait, then I’m the devil who tempted Eve to bite the apple.
For me, I myself do not swing, neither visit prostitutes or even touched another woman for many years. Its not that I don’t like it, but my wife doesn’t give me consent to touch another woman - and since I don’t have her consent, then I don’t do it because it would be cheating.
But I understand why she doesn’t allow me to do it. Not to blow my own horn, but I’m a generous gentleman with many perks, and there are many younger, sweeter women than my wife. And many are good fishers for financial gains. She feels insecure and wants to protect our marriage from any potential problems I might run into with mistresses and the like. She’s afraid that I can’t control myself, so better not to let me start in the first place.
And she is right. Many years ago I was on an overseas working trip. I went to a disco and met an attractive lady. I invited her to my apartment, and I swear it was because I was lonely and wanted her company. I had no intentions of sex because that would be cheating and I have self control. My intentions were genuine of having her come over as a normal friend.
But she had other intentions. While chit chatting on the sofa, she gets up and takes a shower. Then comes to me wrapped only in a towel. Starts to kiss me and the next thing you know - we had sex. In that situation, I couldn’t even say no. Added to that, I would look for her whenever I travel. After a while, my overseas stint ended, and with that, the affair also ended.
So my wife is right in restraining me from swinging activities as I’m very vulnerable to attractive women. So she’s just protecting our marriage. My wife plays with other men because I encouraged it. So that’s how we ended up like this. And I’m happy with the cuckold arrangement.
To be continued… wife just came back :P
Yeah, so I’m cool with it. This morning I tried to arrange another meetup session with SS next week, but she said don’t want. She said no need so often. So kiv first. Anyway I’ll just let it happen whichever way it goes.
MoeLanYong,
Maybe I’m over analyzing as you said. Although I don’t think so, but that’s why I plant a spycam on the session to be 100% sure.
Why I don’t think so is because of several clues that seem to make paint a picture now. Once when we were on holiday in Bali. The resort provided a daily massage by a guy (by special request). The massage hut was partially open so you can see the massage bed from a distance outside. We booked the whole resort, so there’s no one around to see except us.
On the first day of massage, my wife said he masturbated at the end because he cannot tahan. She helped him and obviously he also played with her. On the second day, I sat far opposite so I can see the massage bed from a distance.
As usual, he was playing with her and I pretended like I didn’t notice (looking at my phone) but I was actually peeping at what they’re doing. At the end, he got so engrossed that he climbed on top of her and wanted to mount her to have sex. I saw her pull back. And they were saying something. Cut a long story short, he then carried her off the massage bed and moved to the side of the hut where I could not see. Two minutes later, they came out and she was wiping his cum on her stomach.
Later I asked her what happened there? She said she masturbated him, but no sex. But there was a look on her face that aroused my suspicion that she’s not telling the truth. I can see it - like how you can tell when your 6 year old child is lying.
And if its just masturbation, then why not finish it right on the massage table itself where I can see? And when we checked out, the masseur came over to wish her goodbye as we loaded our luggage on the taxi. It striked my mind as odd for a masseur to see the resort guests off, and I could see that look on his face - that sneaky look. At the back of my mind, I knew he fucked her at the side of the hut, but no one was telling.
And the other clue I had came from one of her regular masseurs. He said to me “your wife very horny and needs sex”. I was a bit offended and replied “Oh, you mean you’re not horny and you don’t like sex?”. Now I understand he was trying to tell me something.
So as most guys say, I’ll continue with it. Some day I’ll tell her I knew all along because the masseur told me and I continued to arrange it as it was super sexy and exciting. At some time we’ll stop.
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calven1875
For me totally no acceptable and divorce straight. No need explain it blar blar see you at lawyer firm.
Please refrain from making such comments. As I said, if you cannot accept swinging lifestyle, please click the back button instead of bashing.
Ok, regards to posting pic. Sorry, no I don’t want to upload pics here coz this thread is not about posting pics online.
For those who want the masseur’s contact for your wife, please PM me. I’ll send you to another site and to a different masseur but provides the same service. Btw, my location is KL.
Rickey, thank you for your reply. Very sad to hear about the sad ending. This is noted, but for me, but I believe my marriage is on firm ground and nowhere near the rocks. On the contrary - this has spiced up our sex life and relationship. I noticed our sex life would go dull, but when there’s a meetup with a guy, I’d get so aroused thinking of it and she too enjoys the session. After that, we’d talk about what he did, how he sucked her, and all the small details, etc while we made love - and this really raises the intensity of our sex life and made us even closer.
For those who think this is fake - well, more power to you. Please click the back button and go to the next thread.
I’ll provide an update soon. A bit busy now..
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Rissaarissa
Just curious, if your wife is pretty sure that you’re unable to self control yourself if you’re exposed to other girls, what make you so sure that she can exercise self control?
I understand your preference, the thrill for your sexual life but lying is just something that is of another level. I can only imagine her to lie because even if you said you don’t mind, she’s still afraid you would and this will turn into a mess.
Yes, I agree with you. Its true I don’t really know because she has surprised me on a few occassions. Give you an example - we didn’t start like this (having sex with masseurs). It was baby steps. When we first started a few years back, she was only topless, and I sat outside the open room door for her reassurance it doesn’t go further. The first sensual massage was paid (RM150 for 2 hours).
Even with that, a guy seeing her topless or massaging her breasts already had me all excited. The arousal was through the roof for me. But as time went by, I kept pushing further by asking her to remove her panties so the guy can see (and likely touch) her pussy. She had always pushed back at my instigation but eventually moved to the next level to wear only a g-string (that hardly covered anything). I also stopped sitting outside/watching and it was done in closed doors to encourage privacy so they would do more.
So after the session she would tell me what happened - and we both had great fantastic sex because of what had just happened. Also around this time we stopped using paid masseurs, but engaged various horny guys who didn’t charge and was happy to get their hands on her. And in most cases, the massage goes further than the boundaries that was established in the start.
Boundaries were like no sex, non-removal of panties, licking/sucking allowed only on breasts, no fingering, and so on. But the end result was my wife would tell me these were never followed - the guy would just help himself and she even gave blowjobs to a few guys before. But she had also enjoyed it - and I did too. So this type of playing then became quite normal and it continued to push the limits - and we started to have regular masseurs. One of her regulars had served her more than a dozen times in less than a year.
I’m usually not present during the massage in order to give them the privacy. But she hasn’t been telling me a lot of things. Around the time of the Bali massage, she was already at the stage of allowing the masseur to masturbate her (and obviously play with her). But she has a rule that no sex is allowed - and he must wear his underwear. She said afterwards scared they have sex, so he must wear his underwear. That was her own rule.
But during the Bali massage, what I saw was quite surprising to me. Because he had removed his underwear, and he lie flat on the massage table. And my wife climbed on top and sat on his cock. Her pussy was touching his cock and remember that she’s not wearing panties either.
She leaned forward and he began to suck her tits and he hugged her and pushed her body up and down so her upper body was rubbing on his body - that’s a body to body massage for those who know. And surely the motion also meant her pussy was rubbing his cock.
I was oh my.. so hot. I didn’t know my wife was so wild. Or capable of this. I mean this is second time she’s met this guy - the first was the massage yesterday. This was the furthest she has ever gone - and I had no idea she was so open. Then he flipped her over, and began to mount her. That was when he was going to penetrate her - and that was when she pulled back. They had a small talk, and then went off to the side of the hut where I could not see.
She said to me later while she was on top, there was no insertion. His dick was rubbing only on the outside of her pussy. I believe it too because I didn’t see any pushing motion. And she only masturbated him at the side of the hut. So that’s how the event unfolded. I realized I just learnt something new about her capabilities, and at the same time suspected there was insertion at the side of the hut.
Fast forward - time passed. She also tells me what happens during her massage sessions. Every few weeks there would be a meetup - and they are regulars now. All arranged by me. One of the masseurs, his name is JJ. He talks a lot and many times we exchange notes. He tells me he enjoys her riding on top of him very much - can feel her pussy with his dick. I asked him got put his dick on her pussy lips? He said got also. Got put inside? He said no. He said she don’t allow. I said in that case, don’t do it.
He said ok. He said he wished can put in, but he respects her wishes (and mine).
But added that she is very horny and needs sex often. I said why? You mean you are not horny? And you don’t like sex? He said no, but he feels that she wants to have sex, but afraid that I don’t allow.
So I said you’re wrong. I’ve been encouraging her to have sex with you (JJ), but she doesn’t want to have sex with anyone. Then he said but how do you know? Even if she have sex also, you don’t know. I said because I trust her and why would she hide it from me since I’ve also been asking her to try to have sex - even just once.
So that’s where it ended. And when I placed the hidden cam with SS - lo and behold, what everyone was saying is right. Just like what Rissaarissa was saying:-
“what make you so sure that she can exercise self control?”
So when I found out about SS, I also realized that she’s probably been having sex with all the other masseurs too. All these time since Bali - which was about a few months ago. So it made me recall the past meetups with JJ, MM and NN (all regulars). They must’ve been fucking her all this time right under my nose - and I didn’t know about it. But I’m cool with it because I’ve been encouraging her to do that all these time - until I gave up. That’s when I posted on this forum because I just wanted to let it out.
So what really perplexes me is why she wants to keep it a secret from me? Yes, this lifestyle is alright with me - but the lying part when its not even needed is puzzling.
What Rissaarissa said is a possible reason:-
“because even if you said you don’t mind, she’s still afraid you would and this will turn into a mess.”
Fast forward, the second meetup with SS happened last Sunday. I know she said don’t want, and its too soon. But I managed to persuade her. And I did plant the spy cam again to confirm that this is a regular thing. And true enough, she had sex with SS again. So now SS had fucked her twice.
But frankly I will stop all future meetups with SS. Because the idiot charges for his service. As I said, I can’t believe I have to pay someone to have sex with her. At least the others don’t ask for money.
And SS never cummed during sex - both times. I believe this is because he masturbates too much. Because when I masturbate, I also find it hard to cum during sex. It ended with her masturbating his dick. While she was rubbing his shaft, he was sucking her left breast and his left hand was rubbing her pussy when he released his load.
Another thing that I feel is very dangerous is that she doesn’t use condom. Her tubes are tied - so she’s not worried about pregnancy. But disease is another thing. While I trust MM because he’s married (but recently separated) with kids, so he’s clean. MM is a very nice guy. Responsible, successful, healthy, doesn’t screw with FL and all that. But his marriage problems drove him out. But for the others - I cannot be certain about disease. I feel this unprotected sex is very immature and irresponsible of her. I’ll have to stop all her meetups with the regulars except for MM.
Finally, about the point of lying and to others too. I’ll reply shortly when I have the time.
porscheclub, mygirly
Thank you. I have to agree with you guys. Its true - to play this game, trust is so important. I’ve lost this trust, because I find myself asking where she’s going or what she’s doing - and I’m thinking is she meeting any of the guys behind my back? I even secretly installed the Friend Finder app in her iphone and I’m actually secretly tracking her physical location.
You’re right too that peeping behind her back is not the right thing to do either. Sooner or later this will lead to a breakdown and its just a recipe for disaster.
I will need to rethink and seriously I haven’t decide on my next move. All I know is that I want to plant a spy cam with MM first, because I want to see it to be sure. After that then I’ll think about my next move - very likely, is to stop this lifestyle.
I feel its pointless to come clean with her either - because it won’t change the fact that I’ll always be suspicious of her. I just have to think about my next move. Really thank you for pointing this out to me.
I also tried to arrange a session with MM this weekend - but it didn’t happen because of our schedules.
Btw, for those who asked, my location is KL.
And for those who think this is a fake story - then its up to you. Very honestly, what you think is the least of my concerns.
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MaraGuru
Can’t be true leh. Any guy here will allow your wife to fuck raw? Unless he is PE. Boh leh, this couple must be sick. Fucking raw with stranger……not scare preg or disease?
He think too much and watch too much fetish porn. Next round, likely he will think of getting an old man of 80 years to fuck his wife. Maybe he should try fucking an old lady too.
Wanna gain power & point, write something more logic.
Did you just read the last line and replied and did you even read the whole post? Did I even say I allowed it? And didn’t I mention her tubes are tied?
Idiots like you read only 1 line and blab out a bunch of garbage - and you even dare talk about logic.
Anyway, I’m not going to update this thread anymore because there’s no shortage of childish folks like you.