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It takes time to conduct investigation. There is no point of detaining “A” for investigations at that moment.
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What you had portrait is a case of “Hearsay Evidence”. There is no circumtances evidence or solid evidence against either parties. Even if the IO procced with the case, the AG Chambers will not procced with the case. Therefore it is advisable to drop the case.
- It takes time to conduct investigation. There is no point of detaining “A” for investigations at that moment.
- What you had portrait is a case of “Hearsay Evidence”. There is no circumtances evidence or solid evidence against either parties. Even if the IO procced with the case, the AG Chambers will not procced with the case. Therefore it is advisable to drop the case.
- I doubt that you have used a buffer like a telephone book when you attack the “uncle” with your baseball bats! Therefore you arguement here is off topic. Remember we are talking about your attack on him! Therefore the injuries susbtained by him is sufficent for you to be charge for VCH with a Dangerous Weapon! Sec 325 Cap 224 Penal Code!
- Please do not put words into my my mouth! I had never said that you will the bad guy. What I did said was it was not wise of you to take things into your own hand irregardless if the “uncle” deserved it! Since you decided to “perform live”, you have to expect that there will be people around to watch your “Live Performance”. I would said that if the uncle brought up charges against you, he does have a case against you! Whether the Magistrate decide to do with you, that is another matter! Your intention was pretty clear as sunshine to me. Taking a baseball bat and attacking another person. Don’t tell me you wanted to play Baseball with him, right?
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Now u tell me, given such scenario, what is not possible?? Maybe if the case is raised up, the IO can just inform the uncle, there is no visual signs of a beating, sending u to the hospital u got to pay for the medical fee, then u got to come back and wait for the medical report, then u have to come back for another statement, then we will document this statement to be a official investigation record.
If anyone is hit with such an object, there will definitely bruise marks. From the bruise marks, they can roughly judge what type of weapon was used!
You can talk BIG here about telling the IO so that he “LL”! But I sincerely doubt that you will have the guts to tell that in his face when you are in his office. He will most properly placed you under arrest for suspicious of being involved in a VCH with a dangerous weapon. You will be placed in the lock-up for 48hrs for investigations. Then we shall see if you still behave in such an arrogrant manner towards him.
Bro, The pen is always mightier than the Sword. the IO can always charge you for something else if he wants to. There are so many different offences in the Law book!
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moneyface
Now A after his statement quietly left the place leaving B waiting for the interview with the IO.
The IO then began to persuade B to drop the case
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Cheri_Popper
Sentencing of Accused is not up to the IO but the Magistrate!
Of cos, the scenario was actually highlighted to show how “efficient” and “just” in the so-called perfect system which many still believe today…
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Cheri_Popper
If anyone is hit with such an object, there will definitely bruise marks. From the bruise marks, they can roughly judge what type of weapon was used!
-->> first of all there are many ways to attack a person without causing brusies. You can use the baseball bat to the extend like wat many officers do to interrogate their suspect, a hammer hitting thru a buffer like a telephone book. furthermore many type of weapons cause similar bruise marks. a baseball bat like many melee weapons can cause the same bruise, even open wounds.
You can talk BIG here about telling the IO so that he “LL”! But I sincerely doubt that you will have the guts to tell that in his face when you are in his office. He will most properly placed you under arrest for suspicious of being involved in a VCH with a dangerous weapon. You will be placed in the lock-up for 48hrs for investigations. Then we shall see if you still behave in such an arrogrant manner towards him.
-->> i am not talking big here.. i dun need to talk big cos the whole discussion was started as a very light-hearted and even humourous coffeeshop talk.. some of the bros here start to get edgy and irritated.. i believe the starting point abt the police matter was pin-point at their efficiency and attitude. perhaps for more practical matters that is happening ard us, you can take a look at sammyboy coffeeshop talk forum to understand the reality of life. it doesn’t means that the jurisdiction is supposedly and purported as a system of pure justice, there will not be a miscarriage of justice in the system. similarly, the police image is suppose to round up ALL the bad guys and see that justice is to be done means that all crooks are caught and put behind bars and there will not be unsolved cases…
What u has supposed and support is a system and scenario that the bad guy (which is me in this case) should get my just retribution and the victim (the uncle in this case) will definitely win his case and see that he did not suffer in vain. judicial matters are much more complicated than this. Intention in one of the critical factors to determine the sentence or judgement. I have a strong feeling that u work for the police or related to them in a way or another, hence the defensive stand. On the other hand, your knowledge of the judicial system is pretty superficial which make me feel that you are not a lawyer… (and i m no lawyer or related to any judicial oraganisation).
Bro, The pen is always mightier than the Sword. the IO can always charge you for something else if he wants to. There are so many different offences in the Law book!
-->> you are absolutely wrong!!! the mouth in singapore is mightier than any pen and sword.. it doesn’t matter who u r, all it matter is who u know… cronyism is real and it exist in a stronger way than u know….
Hopefully my comments has not stir up any dissent and unhappiness cos this is purely not my intention..
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-->> in this case, this is not detaining. this is an interview in which a statement has been carried out. Do u mean i can go to the station, make a police report and then disappear without being interviewed for further information??
-->> evidence is to be gathered and infered by the law-enforcers. not presented to them. if the case is deemed to be related to the breaking of the law, the police should be continuing the investigation and looking for evidence. do u mean that one actually has to present the evidence nice and easy in front of the law-enforcer b4 he deemed that this case is worth the effort to start an investigation.. come on.. get real!!! Further to tat, all investigation will start once the statement is officially launched as a report. Upon gathering sufficient evidence, the police will file them to the AG chamber base on the ground of sufficient evidence for persecution. From there arrest and detain are made. And the case brought up to court by the AG chamber. in your context, it means that the IO has the right to decide if the case has enuff of evidence b4 even anything is done and he has trepassed the authority of the AG chamber by deciding on behalf of the latter whether this case is deem chargable… u tell me???
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Cheri_Popper
We were discussing the efficiency of IO and not Magistrate.
-->> side-tracked a bit, for your infor, the IO is consider part of the judicial system as he is a law-enforcer. Now in another perspective, we are actually looking at the whole judicial system which is flawed!!! and flawed terribly in many of the recent cases happening!!!
Next my real case scenario of “A” and “B” has already highlighted the much debated “efficiency” of the IO… but in your perspective the law-enforcer and their agency are deem to be in a utopian scenario… u tell me???
There will always be flaws and loopholes
Recently there was also a case of a “High Society” person whom was charged for consumption of a controlled drug. His father is a retired judge or something like that and his mother was an NMP or something like that. He was let off by only serving 8 mths whereas others wer jailed 12 mths which was a benchmark for just offence. There is nothing fair in this World. Its who you know and how rich you are that matters!
-->> i have never refuted the fact that who u r is important. what i have highlighted is the fact that who u know is much more impt. so do you think just because these elites are elites, the sentence was deemed “unfair”… nope.. it is not!!! it is who this elite’s parents knew and, who knew his parents that make the mighty difference!!!
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I do agreed with you on this part but on the other issues, I do not agreed with you at all!
-->> my dear bro, i dun need a telephone book to be my buffer, my palm is already a buffer… next who can claim that i was attacking him?? its his words against my words.. injuries on one hand does not prove a point whether i attack him or not. witnesses is the point!!! and even base on the witnesses statement, given the surrounding dimly-lit environment, can the witnessess guarantee a 100% confirmation i hit him with a baseball bat, unless the witness is just in front of us.
Next what is the intention of me attacking him??? who can prove that i attacked him due to him peeping at me… did someone tape down the whole incident of me having sex inside the car and he was moving stealthily around peeping at me.. for your infor, motions took down by eletronics devices like hp and digital camera are not deemed as evidence.. again it was my words against his.. yes my gal can’t be a witness, but like i mentioned, who will the IO believe?? a young professional lady claiming that our car is being pricked or a rugged old man wearing a shorts and t-shirt running ard east coast at the middle of the nite telling the IO he was there moon-tanning and a fellow who is me in this case, jump out from nowhere and give him a bashing.. u tell me..??
-->> i apologise if you feel that i have put words in ya mouth.. but in your quotes and threads, u consider me to be the assaulting party (which i can safely presume that this is what u meant). and if i am the assaulting party, then am i not the bad guy who take things in my own hand and giving false statement as u describe???
Next, if someone did something to you or a family members of yours, do u rise up and take up the defensive stance or do u take the time to make a call to the police and wait for them to investigate and wait for the case to be trial and the fellow to be sentenced??? I believe its all human nature and instinct to react strongly (even violently sometimes) to defend their rights, privacy and of cos their safety. my reaction and my act are wrong in the fact that i have sex at the public (which is deemed illegal in sg!!! ridiculous..) and i hit him in the first place. but tell me, how many will do the same thing as i m in the same situation whereby one privacy is intruded. If i have to take the risk of people peeping at me, then the fellow who peep should also be prepared to take the risk of being beaten up…
whether I am in the SPF or even if I am an IO or that I am related to them in anyway does not change my view on this matter which is “Not advisable to take Law into your own hands as you might likely have to pay for it one way or another”
-->> i appreciate the advice, really!!
but guess i have to learn more abt the way of “REN” / endurance gongfu!!!