Quote:
Originally Posted by
AAdam
Hi TS,
I don’t mean to rub salt on your wound for what happened in 2008. Based on your wisdom and experience, what do you think is the deciding factor in the BaoYang zone that you had been in for so long? The target market is BY scene. Is it emotionally attachment, sexual addiction or monetary compensation? Which is the tipping contributor? Maybe your change in behavior might help you, but did it occur to you that your dolls might not get any better options in the market and thus crawling back to you? Yup, if you have self mastery of yourself in 2008, you would not have even take her back into your stable.
Bro AAdam,
I first proposed BY in Sep 2008, but didn’t get to consummate any until May 2009. I hv since kept dozens of gals, mostly short term n only 5-6 long term.
Initially money is the deciding factor n a dominant behaviour n abundance mentality of secondary importance in the BY equation. But with time, a man’s behaviour n mentality become more n more significant. Emotional attachment n sexual addiction can only help.
My gals hv options. I only go after the prettiest gals of my type whom I hv seen in SG. I’ll literally RUN after a very pretty doll if I spot one who is at a distance from me. I’m often disappointed when I get close to her. I think very few ah peks hv done that. My dolls are not as good n as perfect as I would like them to be. But I can’t BY dolls I hv never seen. I hv also tried to import directly from China n HK. A tedious process.
I admit that, as of today, I still don’t hv absolute emotional mastery. It’s something very difficult to achieve.
Cheers!
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by
owen10
Any of u guys frequent the KTVs in peace ctr?
Went to the food court for dinner with some friends last week, it’s quite happening. Like seeing a ‘parade of gals every few mins. And some of them are pretty good grades too.
Bro,
It’s a good place to see a large number of gals under one roof.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
iluvdamilfs
Half bao / full bao doesn’t matter because in the end the sum is almost identical. Expect to spend 5-8k SIN$ monthly.
I had a pretty Mongolian girl, model material for half a year but in the end it got boring and she didn’t really perform that well anymore. Gave her a generous severance payment because she is a Uni post grad but had to be firm saying the arrangement wasn’t for me anymore.
Truth told: Wouldn’t do it again and just look for gf, if hungry have something on the side lah
Bro,
A full BY is always more expensive, when a gal doesn’t work at all.
BY is fun. Getting KC-ed is part n parcel of living a full life. In a LT BY, a doll’s character is as important as her looks, figure, pussy n orgasms.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
AAdam
Not good enough for me.
“Behave as if you have 100 beautiful women of your type calling you n wanting to fuck you everyday.” - Bro Warbird
Cheers!
This is the most outrageous and arrogant comment that I ever come across. Why and how on earth will a self confident, financially independent and secure woman fall for such behavior? You seriously think that you are GOD"a gift to ladies??
Or maybe your target market are those KTV ladies whose main objective is to love your money. They won’t bother how you behave as long as you show them the money. They can and will call you their Prince Charming even though one might look like a ugly toad.
Hope that you are not inculcating such thoughts into your son ya. I mean no harm and no offence taken.
Bro AAdam,
Thank u very much for ur post n criticisms.
The original quote is from David D. Please watch the video here:
http://doubleyourdating.com/double-y...63ea460156eed0
That was how I used to behave when I was 21, whenever I was very lucky enough to get the contact of a pretty girl. I wish I knew about all that I hv posted here back then. I was reluctant to post the link because I didn’t want my action to be misconstrued as promoting a biz.
I’m talking about an abundance mindset n belief in the S mind. It’s very, very rare to find such a man because most men hv an incurable scarcity mindset. These men are very insecure, needy, always seeking validation n approval n they put their dream gals on a pedestal. And they watch in horror when their gals ditch them or cheat on them.
Read my quote carefully. I never mentioned “I.” The outrageous n arrogant statement is meant for all bros here n for YOU because I love to share what I sincerely believe will work like magic. Yeah, like gong tao.
This mindset works w/ all dolls. Did I mention money n WLs?
When I tried to BY my first doll in late 2008, I was flatly rejected. Two of them hung up on me. Months later they both agreed. One of them was HW. What had changed? My behaviour.
IMHO, the most important determinant of what makes a man attractive to women is his perceived high status. I further believe that this perceived status is determined by his masculine n dominant behaviour. And the MOST important aspect of this behaviour is that he remains very relaxed n calm when facing tough challenges, including life n death situations. In other words, he has awesome emotional n self mastery.
OK, let me modify my quote to apply to non-WLs.
“Behave as if you have 100 beautiful and high quality women of your type, who are non-WLs, calling you and wanting to fuck you everyday. And they are all emotionally and sexually addicted to you.”
If you, bro AAdam, truly hv such a mentality, deep in your S mind, you will hv more gals than you can handle.
There is a caveat. You will become so choosy n your standards will become so high that you will hv a hard time finding gals who are ur type. And u may never commit.
Like they say, when you gain something, you also lose something else.
Ralph Waldo Emerson said it much more eloquently: “For everything you have missed, you have gained something else, and for everything you gain, you lose something else.”
Cheers!
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by
stoked
Totally agree and I can back it up that it works.
Bro,
It works like magic.
Must remain very calm and relaxed when you get rejected repeatedly. If you show any displeasure n frustration, you are finished.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xinbin
Really need to overcome the fear of people answering a ‘No’…
Bro,
No self respecting woman will ever be attracted to a man who is fearful of her.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
AAdam
Hi TS,
I don’t mean to rub salt on your wound for what happened in 2008. Based on your wisdom and experience, what do you think is the deciding factor in the BaoYang zone that you had been in for so long? The target market is BY scene. Is it emotionally attachment, sexual addiction or monetary compensation? Which is the tipping contributor? Maybe your change in behavior might help you, but did it occur to you that your dolls might not get any better options in the market and thus crawling back to you? Yup, if you have self mastery of yourself in 2008, you would not have even take her back into your stable.
Bro AAdam,
I first proposed BY in Sep 2008, but didn’t get to consummate any until May 2009. I hv since kept dozens of gals, mostly short term n only 5-6 long term.
Initially money is the deciding factor n a dominant behaviour n abundance mentality of secondary importance in the BY equation. But with time, a man’s behaviour n mentality become more n more significant. Emotional attachment n sexual addiction can only help.
My gals hv options. I only go after the prettiest gals of my type whom I hv seen in SG. I’ll literally RUN after a very pretty doll if I spot one who is at a distance from me. I’m often disappointed when I get close to her. I think very few ah peks hv done that. My dolls are not as good n as perfect as I would like them to be. But I can’t BY dolls I hv never seen. I hv also tried to import directly from China n HK. A tedious process.
I admit that, as of today, I still don’t hv absolute emotional mastery. It’s something very difficult to achieve.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
owen10
Any of u guys frequent the KTVs in peace ctr?
Went to the food court for dinner with some friends last week, it’s quite happening. Like seeing a ‘parade of gals every few mins. And some of them are pretty good grades too.
Bro,
It’s a good place to see a large number of gals under one roof.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
iluvdamilfs
Half bao / full bao doesn’t matter because in the end the sum is almost identical. Expect to spend 5-8k SIN$ monthly.
I had a pretty Mongolian girl, model material for half a year but in the end it got boring and she didn’t really perform that well anymore. Gave her a generous severance payment because she is a Uni post grad but had to be firm saying the arrangement wasn’t for me anymore.
Truth told: Wouldn’t do it again and just look for gf, if hungry have something on the side lah
Bro,
A full BY is always more expensive, when a gal doesn’t work at all.
BY is fun. Getting KC-ed is part n parcel of living a full life. In a LT BY, a doll’s character is as important as her looks, figure, pussy n orgasms.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Good morning!
Sometimes getting more pussies of your type is as simple as asking more often. Yes, life is really that good.
Here is a brief email by a guru, Mr. Ryan.
#1 Skill Every Man Must Master (take 1 min. per day)
Hey,
I’m a relentless asker.
I ask for things all the time.
Calmly and politely, but I still ask.
You have to be able to ask for the things you want.
Ask for the promotion.
Ask for a girl to go out with you.
Ask for someone to stop wasting your time.
It wasn’t always easy for me to ask for the things I wanted.
The fear of hearing “NO” crippled me.
I still have that fear and more often than not, I’m tempted
to not ask. I still feel that pain in my stomach and the nausea
that occurs just before asking… but I do it anyway.
I knew a guy who wasn’t particularly good looking. But he
was always asking women their name, what they were doing
tonight, their phone number, if they’d go out with him, and more…
He’d never stop asking.
This guy was getting a lot of dates and sex.
All this, because he was able to get over the initial reluctance
of asking. Very few people achieve this.
The best way to ask is to use a simple statement like:
“I want…”
“Can you… Please?”
Don’t overly use a softener, like, “I was wondering”, “Maybe”, etc.
Just calmly and politely ask for want you want. Accept that
some people will say “no”.
Do it once a day until it becomes a habit.
Have an amazing day!
Ryan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
stoked
Totally agree and I can back it up that it works.
Bro,
It works like magic.
Must remain very calm and relaxed when you get rejected repeatedly. If you show any displeasure n frustration, you are finished.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
xinbin
Really need to overcome the fear of people answering a ‘No’…
Bro,
No self respecting woman will ever be attracted to a man who is fearful of her.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bonkpedia
Thank you. I am just wondering what will happen if one day the sugar daddy received warning from someone about the girl they BY having bf? Believe or don’t believe? Break up or continue? Thank you.
Bro bonkpedia,
Every case is different. He needs to find out if it’s true. Just like if his wife is having a BF. Walk away if it’s true.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
justime
This is indeed a Golden Thread (“Sticky”-worthy).
A truly useful thread not only must stand the test of time. But that the original TS himself must demonstrate commitment to the subject matter.
I am very impressed by the updates, chronicles, lessons imbibed (and discarded) and the quality of sharing over time. It shows up very evidently that BY is not some mythical amorphous thing, but rather a “true to life” activity in the world of cheonging.
I have met Bro Warbird (several years ago) and indeed was quite an active participant in the world of BY. I am not active anymore as I was facing some financial challenges!
Yes! stark reality .. there IS money involved to sustain a BY relationship. Like it or not, force of personality, charisma etc only goes so far.
(btw, it’s not engaging in BY activities that bankrupted me, but rather being caught out during the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 on the wrong side of the financial investment equation)
Now that I have recovered somewhat financially, I can afford to dabble and indulge in this little recreational pursuit. To this end, I look forward to join Bro Warbird and gang in some BY outings and scoutings (if they would accept my company of course - cannot be presumptuous!).
I do know and remember the steps to land a BY (only this time, I have to go “budget”) …. but what I don’t have is “recency” and current knowledge! It would be indeed fun to see if the elapsing of eight years have diminished my “skill” or the world of BY now has “evolved” (or devolved) and operate on a different paradigm altogether …. cheers!!
Bro Justime,
It’s good to hear from u after such a long time. It would be my pleasure if u could join my outings. I’m overseas now n will return in about 3 weeks.
I last met u at LV in early 2012. I had a tall Fujian gal w/ me. In the lift, you described her as having “ample breasts” haha. She is now a model in Xiamen. I now hv a 19 yo kawaii lao po w/ small breasts. She has just returned to China because of urgent family problems.
BY has not changed much in the last 5-6 years. But 90% of gals working in high end KTVs now hv had plastic surgery. It’s a big turnoff for me. And few pretty gals are coming to SG.
Cheers!
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by
NotMyRealName
Agree.
IMO, it is an imbalanced market. You with the “budget” can still land something, anything, with time and effort. She, the prey, although is able to guess or gauge her own value, you can counter her perception of her value by walking away and giving her the dissatisfaction and the impression in her mind whether she let a good-enough fish (in fact you the hunter) walk away unless there is competitor.
Without paying over your budget, you need patience and effort, and also widen your target list. If you are bidding for the top three gals that are courted by multiple towkays, then you are joining a bidding war which is not to your advantage.
If you corner a good enough girl that will be yours most of the time (or all, it depends whether you’ve the energy and means to check on her) and she is not courted, then you have the time to manage her expectation of her own value since there is no bidding war going for her. If she is a proud one, move on. There are plenty of targets.
I feel that this game is a game of needs versus wants balanced by means. If you need the girl fast, then you better have the means to over come obstacles fast. If you are limited in your means, then deploy what you have and shoot for those that are not in a strong position or she needs what you have.
It should not be a perfect market, not even close. So deploy all your weapons, sweet talk, confidence, a way to stand out be it being indifferent or switch mode to attentive (just not too much as they dislike pushovers), and aim at multiple targets (probably not in the same room though), you may hit success, if not then move on to the next group of possibilities.
My apologies, I am disorganized and messy in here.
Bro NotMyRealName,
Thanks for ur post. I couldn’t agree w/ u more.
The pussy n BY market is very inefficient. A patient n confident man who understands female psychology can often “punch above his weight” haha.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bonkpedia
Please forgive me if my questions are too direct. As I am nowhere have the financial means to BY any girl, so I won’t know anything about it. I hope all the big bro here can enlighten me.
As this thread
A friendly warning to a fellow singaporean
appeared, I am wondering what would the SD do? Thank you!
Hi bro,
What do u like to know about BY?
It’s like a marriage w/o the financial consequences. Unfortunately, there may be emotional consequences. Just my 2 cents.
Tks for the link.
I like to give a very stern warning to all bros who are thinking of getting married. Ponder carefully n look clearly before leaping. Don’t get emotional, otherwise you will regret it. You can write it down.
Cheers!
Bro WB
…………………………….
Good afternoon,
I’ll be going overseas for about 3-4 weeks.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bonkpedia
Thank you. I am just wondering what will happen if one day the sugar daddy received warning from someone about the girl they BY having bf? Believe or don’t believe? Break up or continue? Thank you.
Bro bonkpedia,
Every case is different. He needs to find out if it’s true. Just like if his wife is having a BF. Walk away if it’s true.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
justime
This is indeed a Golden Thread (“Sticky”-worthy).
A truly useful thread not only must stand the test of time. But that the original TS himself must demonstrate commitment to the subject matter.
I am very impressed by the updates, chronicles, lessons imbibed (and discarded) and the quality of sharing over time. It shows up very evidently that BY is not some mythical amorphous thing, but rather a “true to life” activity in the world of cheonging.
I have met Bro Warbird (several years ago) and indeed was quite an active participant in the world of BY. I am not active anymore as I was facing some financial challenges!
Yes! stark reality .. there IS money involved to sustain a BY relationship. Like it or not, force of personality, charisma etc only goes so far.
(btw, it’s not engaging in BY activities that bankrupted me, but rather being caught out during the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 on the wrong side of the financial investment equation)
Now that I have recovered somewhat financially, I can afford to dabble and indulge in this little recreational pursuit. To this end, I look forward to join Bro Warbird and gang in some BY outings and scoutings (if they would accept my company of course - cannot be presumptuous!).
I do know and remember the steps to land a BY (only this time, I have to go “budget”) …. but what I don’t have is “recency” and current knowledge! It would be indeed fun to see if the elapsing of eight years have diminished my “skill” or the world of BY now has “evolved” (or devolved) and operate on a different paradigm altogether …. cheers!!
Bro Justime,
It’s good to hear from u after such a long time. It would be my pleasure if u could join my outings. I’m overseas now n will return in about 3 weeks.
I last met u at LV in early 2012. I had a tall Fujian gal w/ me. In the lift, you described her as having “ample breasts” haha. She is now a model in Xiamen. I now hv a 19 yo kawaii lao po w/ small breasts. She has just returned to China because of urgent family problems.
BY has not changed much in the last 5-6 years. But 90% of gals working in high end KTVs now hv had plastic surgery. It’s a big turnoff for me. And few pretty gals are coming to SG.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
NotMyRealName
Agree.
IMO, it is an imbalanced market. You with the “budget” can still land something, anything, with time and effort. She, the prey, although is able to guess or gauge her own value, you can counter her perception of her value by walking away and giving her the dissatisfaction and the impression in her mind whether she let a good-enough fish (in fact you the hunter) walk away unless there is competitor.
Without paying over your budget, you need patience and effort, and also widen your target list. If you are bidding for the top three gals that are courted by multiple towkays, then you are joining a bidding war which is not to your advantage.
If you corner a good enough girl that will be yours most of the time (or all, it depends whether you’ve the energy and means to check on her) and she is not courted, then you have the time to manage her expectation of her own value since there is no bidding war going for her. If she is a proud one, move on. There are plenty of targets.
I feel that this game is a game of needs versus wants balanced by means. If you need the girl fast, then you better have the means to over come obstacles fast. If you are limited in your means, then deploy what you have and shoot for those that are not in a strong position or she needs what you have.
It should not be a perfect market, not even close. So deploy all your weapons, sweet talk, confidence, a way to stand out be it being indifferent or switch mode to attentive (just not too much as they dislike pushovers), and aim at multiple targets (probably not in the same room though), you may hit success, if not then move on to the next group of possibilities.
My apologies, I am disorganized and messy in here.
Bro NotMyRealName,
Thanks for ur post. I couldn’t agree w/ u more.
The pussy n BY market is very inefficient. A patient n confident man who understands female psychology can often “punch above his weight” haha.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Good morning,
I’m overseas n has been very busy, sorry for the late replies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
There always will be emotional consequences in this time of arrangement. And I really like the way you put it. It is like marriage but without the financial consequences after you part ways.
Bro Nato17,
Yes, after 6-12 months of full time BY, there will be some emotional attachment. Your mission, as a MAN, is to get her emotionally n sexually addicted to you. The person who cares the least, controls the relationship. And, if you’re not the one in control, the gal will leave you.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
“Punch above his weight”. Very good food for thought and insights. I must keep learning from the masters here.
Yes, by punching above your weight, you can get the prettiest gal of your type.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
Very, very well written! You have clearly analyzed the game very well and I really must offer you my kudos. I think I myself can learn a lot from your attitude and also insights. Kudos bro.
Bro NotMyRealName is very experienced.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
I think you are missing the point. I would say in Singapore, a lot of guys are totally clueless with regards to the opposite sex. How many guys just wish they had the guts to walk up to a woman and say hi, can I have your number?
Don’t say that women aren’t drawn to people who are confident people?
Bro,
Most men in Sg are too timid. They are not comfortable in their own skin.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
Sorry, what is CVO? I blur sotong.
CVO = Copulatory Vaginal Orgasm
The most addictive form of orgasm
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
The rates are now super strange. The last girl quoted me $20k, but she slashed. I think I need to do go MIA for a while….lol.
Bro Nato 17,
That is a very old post! I met KK in 2009. She was gorgeous n very sexy. A bro said she was the best looking gal I ever had. I replied: One of the best looking gals.
The damage for BY has gone up since.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
A lot of factors will boost one’s self-confidence. EG, good looking. Youth. Wealth. And even education. However, how you use that to your advantage only you wield that power. No one can do it for you.
Self-confidence places a part even in the workplace. You don’t get promoted because of your technical skills. You get promoted because you may be able to project a good image that you will be able to perform a job. This is certainly true at board levels. If you are talking about managerial levels, yes you are using your technical expertise but further up the ladder, your social skills plays a huge part. And a good part is self-confidence.
Bro, I couldn’t agree w/ u more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
I don’t think there is anything wrong with using money to buy a relationship. It is just like us guys going to GL and paying for sex.
Having mojo and using it to one’s advantage is not a crime. Business use their financial might to gain the unfair advantage. Just because you may have a lack of it doesn’t mean that someone using it to their advantage should play by the same rules as you. To me, at least, you seem to be sour grapes.
Bro Nato 17,
You’re spot on!
I know the bro you’re replying to. I was never able to meet him, despite offering to pay for all expenses for him at a high end KTV. He was in my wechat grp that had over 35 like-minded bros. No one was able to meet him in person. So they forced me to kick him out.
BTW, they also found out that this particular bro made certain claim who was verified to be false. I’ll leave it at that. I hv nothing against him n I do wish him well.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
This is coming from a guy who has been accused by others of whack WLs? Wow, seriously?
Go figure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
korean
bro, I really pity ur gal being sexposed by u here just to prove urself so hard. now I know to use a woman like a tool is part of normal relationship
Bro Korean,
IMHO, showing off is a sign of insecurity, low self confidence n neediness. Such a person craves constant attention n validation.
Cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
besafe
BY = having the whore all to yourself (while the money last), without going to the whore house and share with the rest.
Just my view only. Cheers.
Bro besafe,
You’re right. Need to get the whore addicted to you emotionally n sexually asap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
In the corporate world that results are NOT everything. You can meet KPIs and get your bonus. That is what you are paid to do.
Companies pay you for results, not for efforts put in!
You are always expected to meet your position goals (which I always think is not an impossible task).
Now, getting ahead requires more than just hard work, it also depends on how you network, how you relate to both below you and those above you. How you look also does matter, whether you like it or not. And being confident and how you poise yourself all play a part. This is also called your image right? I mean do you walk into a corporate meeting in bermudas and slippers? If you do that and deliver results do you expected to be promoted? I think not.
So in a nutshell, it all boils down to attitude and how you play the game. And to me, that is what warbird is doing. He is advocating play the game with the rules already sketched out for you.
Well said.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
NotMyRealName
Thanks.
I have to play the longer game and with patience simply because I know myself, i.e. has limited means. It is also to leverage the inefficient market to our advantage, as the girl has many best friends who will share and tell her things her entire waking hours while we are busy with our work and then only have a few hours to interact with her.
The moment she asks you for gift you have to really evaluate. Buy a small one and if she treasures it then you know she likes you. If she asks for more expensive gifts that is a month of your salary then my advice is change target. And the excuse of someone sick, needs help back home are also signs.
Oh by the way, if whom you want is young and restless age, than you will have to consider dumping her after a while because your liking of the girl drops once she gets more and more dependent on you for even how to travel from one place to another (within SG).
Bro,
You’re welcome. Thanks for sharing your insights n strategies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
aczeta
Good to see this thread is still active after so long
Bro,
I hv learned so much by sharing. Still improving slowly…no one can hv too much emotional mastery n self mastery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nato17
I think in a bidding war, I will throw in the towel if I know you are my competitor. Cannot outbid you at all.
Bro Nato 17,
Not true. You can punch above your weight n knock me out!
This doll KP is exceptionally pretty n sexy. I’m trying to get her wechat from the real estate agent.
Cheers!
Bro WB