- Note that the accommodation I provided is the “budget” style Love style that I talked about earlier. Its a private apartment somewhere in the Balestier - Whompoa area. This arrangement is a 3-person sharing cost of a love nest organised by me. (There are altogether five girls living there but XH gets a single bed-single room – my own personl Hotel 81 / Value Chain / Fragrance.)
- Those that frequent mummyless KTV knows that sometimes the girls in trying to persuade you to take their tai often promises you a lot. (And they almost always obscure from you the actual number of tai they have)*.
- Is the arrangement made in the context of a girlfriend or Mistress scenario (refer to my 2 earlier post)?
- Your $6, 000 will
- I will talk more about it later, but the typical reaction of the Singapore male is all wrong when handling the above scenario.
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In addition, there are some intangible factors at play too for such a behaviour. It should be obvious that you have not met her emotional needs at some level hence her need to seek others. You did not provide the “crutch”.
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Will talk about “Time Management” - the Patron’s and the Mistress a little later.
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I noticed that there is a ‘lag’ time (due to YOUR busy schedule - again good as you call the shots) before she ‘officially’ takes up position as your mistress. You might want to use this time for her to get a medical check up.
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Now that you are on the verge of a Mistress based (as opposed to Girlfriend based) relationship, let me share with you some “benefits” by disclosing some fetishes that I and my brothers indulge.
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For the Mistress Game #1, you might want to consider bringing on the works (seeing that it is YOUR first time trying it out too). Go for a slightly romantic ambience a little by bringing on scented candles and champagne (goes very well with my chocolate concoction I might add!).
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It should be obvious here that you should not too enamored that you begin to invest in a whole lot of emotions (I gathered from your posting that you are quite an experienced “womanizer” so I need not talk more about it at this stage!).
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I think now that you may be beginning to see and experienced first hand the point that I am trying to communicate: mainly it is so much easier to introduce ‘kink’ elements in the sex when it is a mistress based relationship (vis-à-vis girl-friend based one). Yes brother, I have more games to share in the course of this thread – some of which (especially by Hua) can veer off the mainstream by quite a bit!
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I cannot really comment on whether private doc or DSC clinic is better as I have never utilized the services of the DSC. It has always been private for me. I know that it is stereotypical but I have the impression that places like DSC has a long waiting time (from waiting to consult docs to getting the results etc). I may be wrong here – perhaps any brothers with experience care to enlighten?
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I am only “relatively” young (when compared with the other members of the Mistress brotherhood). Only Terrence share the same decade with me - the forties!
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Okay, I concede that I can be rather charming in the eyes of some girls. Not because I am blessed with good genetics but because I present myself rather well. I know how to maximize what I have (or lack of) and accentuate the positives.
- Just a snapshot of my ‘cheonging’ history and experience. I have been exposed to the KTV/Nite Club scene since my early twenties (more than two decades!). It is my dad who took me there as he showed me the ropes on how to entertain prospective clients. Yup, I am a “sao yeh” of sorts – I am groomed to take over my family business.
- Yes, I think you have guessed correctly. In fact I am now BY more than one damsel currently. (I don’t count XH as a mistress per se!).
- And now, in the spirit of sharing I talk about, I shall disclose one super secret: my nutritional supplement. This is not the usual ones which most readers know of* like tonkat Ali, ginseng etc….
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Originally Posted by
Bazic606
This must be one hell of a gal for you to work out such exquisite “masterstrokes” on her. Basically, most of us would not have given a second dime if the lass proved to be a difficult character to manipulate, whether the complexity comes from the Hen or not. The effort could have been put to use on other secondary targets reaping better yields. Yet again, I can see that you have already develop an attribute to take on the challenges. This is definitely a valuable personality to develop since Singaporeans are known to be “followers”, “queuers”….
Something useful I have definitely picked up from this thread.
Hi Bazic, during my youth, I used to have an attitude that “if the girl does not respond to my overtures, it is her loss as I will move on”.
I now know better.
Successful people don’t settle. They see what they like and then go get it.
It more than just the “thrill of the chase” per se. It is a success habit that is all permeating and all encompassing, even to such a “mundane” enterprise as chasing girls.
Also, the Masterstrokes may look complicated on paper. But its actual execution is very easy. It just takes some astute observations (which already come naturally) and the clever use leverage. What’s more the so called “work” is mainly mostly “instructional” (e.g. to mummy and accomplice) in scope.
Always remember that the successful person is not outcome driven per se. (Jus has yet to master this attitude – he is still very obsessed with things going his way).
The successful ones are more concerned with the process that will allow for the highest probability in getting the outcome they want
. They derive pleasure and relish the thoughts, analysis and rationalizations that go into the “process” itself.
It is precisely because of this discussion of the “process” that allows me to understand the underlying principles of Masterstrokes. It enables me to articulate what exactly is happening beyond that of simply witnessing and observing how they do it (whether in chasing girls or other ventures).
Now when I observe, I understand the rationalizations as well. And I can communicate strategies to people in order that they can benefit from it too.
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Originally Posted by
Rorschach
You are too kind. It would be an honor to lay my grubby and hungry paws on your manuscript before anyone else, then trying to make the gospel accessible to the
hoi polloi
, which I consider myself to be part of. Will you be writing this under a
nom de plume
?
Please keep writing, I am normally not that effusive with praise but this is just a damned good thread!
Thanks for the compliments Rorschach. It really made my day!
Although I do occasionally rub shoulders with the rich, powerful and influential, I am still a 100% member of the “lesser mortal” club. Its kinda like a grassroot leader rubbing shoulders with Ministers; there is no real substantive transferrence of “status” by this association; he still remains a proletariat, a “common man” in essence, stature and in lifestyle!
Yes, if the book deal somehow crystalizes, I wil definitely hide my real name behind a pseudonym (pen name). I will give this some thought. What I do however know now is that my pen name should not be something crass like “Chee Koh Peh” (3 common surnames concatenated with an all too obvious “hidden” meaning).
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by
warbird
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I normally prefer younger gals 18-24 in age n the previous 3 gals who accepted my BY are 19-21. I still want JJ bcos of her good looks, coveted height n sexy figure.
I expressed my desire to take care of her. She nodded her head. I inquired about the services I’ll receive n the terms. She would prefer not to work at KTVs. She was a bit bashful but said OK to every service I asked for. I didn’t want AJ or CIM though. I then offered a price. Not enough, she said, n requested X amt. I told her I would think abt it. I held her slender hand n touched her thigh…she didn’t object.
Due to my time constraint from now until mid July, it would be more cost-effective if I allow her to continue running at KTVs but pay her much less. I called this PM to make my new offer. She kept saying 太少了, but agreed to meet. I assume that she has consented to my terms.
Hi Warbird, sorry for the late reply, but I was busy entertaining some business associates from the “sub continent” for the last two days!. Just some quick comments before I collapse in bed.
Personally, I am not too concern with age per se. I go with looks (beauty). I had some lau chio stunners who are absolutely gorgeous and wild in bed. And I personally find Hsu Chi in her late twenties looked better than in her early years!
Also more mature lass being ‘more experienced’ can be more receptive to suggestions. For a mature guy like self, there is an added advantage of looking less conspicuous in public when I go out with her. (I had an 18 year old mistress Singer who once met me in public wearing high stockings on a platform shoes, pigtails and carrying a teddy bear bag! Holy Anime! Good for cosplay-role play in a bed room setting but terrible in public!
Now to the main purport of your drawing attention to her age:
Yes, the older you are, the price and market rate do go down. Like COE, the next category is older than 26 years old (this is the ‘psychological age mark of mei meis). You should not pay the price of a 24 year old.
Use this fact to your advantage. Mistress have the life of a footballer, very few can command “Ronaldo-esqe” figures in late twenties or thirties.
Go for value proposition and use the age card against her if need be. Make it subtle though. When asking, discussing or negotiating terms and pricing, subtly allude to age: her birthday, views about marriage, future plans lend itself naturally into “age” equation. You can also say that XXX, is 20 years old and she agrees to be baoed for only SGD 8, 000. The psychologically triggers the glass ceiling for an older prospect!
You did very well by laying out the cards on the services you expect
. Don’t know you did this intentionally or not, but you did a very important step.
Many people use the courtship / girlfriend route and mistakenly assume that they are Baoying a girl (mistress). This is NOT correct. What you are doing is simply giving the girlfriend an allowance or as the mei mei like to put it – help them with their living expenses. Expectations are not communicated and your allowance to her is taken for granted (nan peng you ying kai zuo de = boyfriend’s obligation).
You therefore need to make a distinction that you purchase her time and service
. (No need to be so commercially crass about it if it is not your style – you can romanticize the relationship saying that I take care of you in return for love, loyalty and devotion).
(One important Test whether your prospect is girl-friend or Mistress is your ability to assert and articulate the service you expect or want. If you cannot do this step – you pursuit is in a girl friend mode! And expect a “girlfriend” type of service!)
Warbird, I see your point about letting her run KTV (just like I did with XH) especially if under time constraint. You must however be prepared to let her go. XH and JJ are obvious potential – they will defintely be ‘propositioned’ sooner or later. But unless a huge money is used as lures, I am confident XH will continue our little arrangement for quite some time yet as I did quite a good job of creating a crutch mentality in her.
Oh yah, I hope you do not pay all money upfront. Pay a small trench first. For XH, I give her upfront $500, followed by $500 every 10 days. I have an added advantage which you don’t have (presumably as you did not mention it!). I provided XH her accommodation! And accommodation is one way you can use to ‘control’ your mistress.
Gotta go zzzzz now. Cheers brother!
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Originally Posted by
justime
Oh yah, I hope you do not pay all money upfront. Pay a small trench first. For XH, I give her upfront $500, followed by $500 every 10 days. I have an added advantage which you don’t have (presumably as you did not mention it!). I provided XH her accommodation! And accommodation is one way you can use to ‘control’ your mistress.
Some additional points:
Yes, just like a country stockpiling strategic reserves of commodities and weapon, I do ‘stockpile’ some ready accommodation at various times for my “cheonging” pursuit. If there is a lull i.e. no girls, I would sometimes make use of it as a makeshift office or a resting point. Currently my strategic stockpile is down to zero. And the bad news is that rents are steadily going up.
(Any property experts care to do a Mistress Love Nest Index? I am sure you know where the “hot locations” are!)
But after landing you as a tai, there is almost always a failure to deliver the service to your expectation. For me, their propositioning of you is sometimes more fun than the Tai itself (especially for places like BS … which I have not been for quite some time! Quite missed it.)
* You can see sometimes see the “actual” number of tais these girls have by looking at their hands. Quite a lot of them write the room number(s) on the wrists-palm. Alternatively, they will key in your room number on their handphone. Too long a number - macham calling overseas or many single doube digits under the call lists gives a good indication of the number of actual tais they have.
What I am saying above is that there may be a
discrapency between what is promised and what is actually being delivered.
Paying upfront commits you to her delivered service levels as there are practically no such thing as refunds.
By paying her in ’trenches’, you can stop the deal halfway if the desired service delviery level is too far against your expectation. You
effectively have a “cut loss” option
. (And a psychological weapon to compel her to buck up - especially if the ‘service lags’ occur in between payments).
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Originally Posted by
ventu22
Time management : These gal are hell good in managing their time in such game. They may engage not 1 but a possible 2 or even 3 at the same time. I find out my ex-gal still going out with others as late as 3am in the morning. Even the truth might not involve sex, but it left my imagination runs wild. Therefore personally I feel there is no exclusive in such arrangement no matter what amount is being offered. As a gauge, I spend over $6000 per month.
Unless we take the stand of just enjoying the moment being together and discard the rest of what she will be doing (behind your back).
Cheers!
Hi Ventu,
For “over $6, 000 a month”, you should have been accorded you better treatment. As I do not have a context of your mistressing experience, I will just pen down two points for now.
I suspect that it is likely to be the former arrangement i.e. girlfriend (with allowance) and that you did not take the steps to convert her to a mistress despite giving her a mistress like retainer fee.
I will elaborate more on this later, including what Masterstrokes are needed to convert a girlfriend to a mistress.
Notice that I have made qualifying remarks throughout when I talked about my experience / arrangement with XH. She is technically not a mistress per se. Its more like a hybraid arrangement with some elements of “Patronage” in it.
not
be enough if your ‘mistress’ is an Ang Pai (or even a semi Ang Pai) or if she has high consumption / consumerism habits. As such, there is a need for her to develop alternative ‘income’ channels to feed the habit. This is a practical and logical thing to do - and one which I myself will do if the roles are reversed.
Think of money in a mistressing context like this: It is not the sum of money that is important here. It is the use of money (regardless of amount) in enforcing and consolidating your power status in your relationship with her.
The corollary of the poor use/execution of “money as leverage” is that the ‘mistress’ will always stretch the limits of your tolerance. The more they can get away with it the better.
a) Never meekly submit nor play the ‘hurt’ man.
In getting your mistress to execute your desires, you do
NOT
ever seek her understanding (in the vain hope that she will be sympathize with you, feel kinda bad and then be somehow emotionally blackmailed into compromising with you). It never ever works this way!
b) Also Never get worked up and all riled up - to use anger as way to enforce the mistress desired behaviour.
The “My way or the highway” threats are very dispowering - especially if not backed up by deed!
Calm, factual and rational tone that underlies the seriousness of your intention is best. Follow up on the relevant “punitive measures” - there must be one. But never of the “throw the baby along with the bathwater” variety such as immediately ending the mistress patronage! (Or you will be missing a hellva good opportunity to take your relationship at the next level.)
So Ventu, recognise any of these observations in your relationship? Care to share and elaborate on your experience? There may be several learning points that can benefit us all.
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Originally Posted by
warbird
My 1st BY was a failure. I was treating the gal like a GF w/ monthly allowance n I didn’t spell out the services she would provide. And I tried to please her…after I spent a good 30 minutes giving her multiple orgasms w/ my fingers n tongue, she merely opened her legs a bit wider n expected me to enter her in the missionary position. By then I was exhausted n my didi was completely limp…
What I really want is a mistress who can service me…after all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
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Originally Posted by
ansonsohna
Bro Warbird, sorry for laughing sir, but I find it very funny. I want to wish you all the best with JJ. Keep continue with your story. I am very interested to know more and to learn from you and Bro Justime.
Best thread ever!
Hi Anson:
Thanks for the support. Yes, I too enjoyed Bro Warbird’s sharing very much.
By the way, it is purely speculative but are you a regular visitor to International Plaza? I say this because when I ‘vocalized’ your nick – it sounded like “Anson de Sauna”.
Hi Warbird:
Great anecdote! As mentioned to Anson, I enjoyed it very much. Do you have more to share?
I believe a hearty congratulation is due your way. You have done everything right so far. Hopefully such incidents with your first BY are a thing of the past. (I will guide you along the way if you need me.)
I am now looking forward to you being a orchestral conductor, with JJ bobbing her head to the tune and the swing of your baton! Make beautiful music! (Innuendo in there somewhere).
I shall start ‘small’. I will share with you, bit by bit, the wilder and more radical kink elements as your relationship progresses.
BTW, brothers who are
not
in a Mistress based relationship can also try this:
Mistress Game 01: “Chocolatey fun”
This is useful game to indulge in - especially early on the relationship. (In fact I can say that is actually part of ‘creating a crutch mentality’ as it is quite a bonding and intimate experience).
My Secret recipe: Using a bottle of ‘Nutella’ (you may want to dilute it with milk or water) use a slow heat until it has a nice and googy constituency. Throw in some chillis in the mix (yes, chillis!) for some hellva nice flavouring. Add/sprinkle mint leaves to give it a nice colour and additional flavour.
Now the game is structured along ice breaker / getting to know you better basis. You want to discover each other’s erogenous zones early on.
Make sure that your chocolate mixture is just slightly warm, apply it on your gal’s body where you think is the most sensitive and lap it up by licking it off her body. Ask her if this is correct. And then get her to point out her parts that “she” thinks will get her off the most.( By the way, a lot of women don’t know where their erogenous zones are).
Now you do the same for yourself. Apply my chocolate mix on areas that gives you the most kick.
Experiment on other parts of your body. You will be surprised to discover a little more about yourself this way.
Now that you know her erogenous zones, it gives you an added advantage when it comes to pleasuring her!
Only one dis-advantage with this game for me:. Play it too much and you will gain weight!
Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by
warbird
Hi bro justime,
You’re indeed a consummate master in the game of BY!! I wish u had published this thread a month earlier!
Your Mistress Game 01 is quite an eye opener for a novice like me. I must catch up w/ lost time! 我以前都是白活的!
I’m happy to report that JJ n I hv reached total agreement as to the terms of BY. Due to my circumstances n time constraints, the RS will begin on 13 July for half a month, until 29 of July when she leaves for China. I guess extension would be optional.
She has also consented to having a medical exam n blood tests (I’ll pay the cost). Should I get her a private doc or just send her to DSC Clinic?
In the meantime, I suggest that she work at DC as I could intro some frens/mummies to help her. She is not interested bcos she doesn’t enjoy running KTV, she says. She adds that should I change my mind, be sure to tell her early for she may just return to China. I hv promised to give her a good time….
Thx again bro.
Good night!
Hi Warbird,
Also take note that a significant majority of Chinese mei mei is unaccustomed to such a special treatment. It may jolly well develop into a too strong crutch mentality that may well be manifested into being “sticky”. Again, do not worry about it now. Enjoy the moment when it comes. (And I can tell you it is indeed a very sweet moment – even after trying it out so many times, I still have a kick out of the “chocolatey fun” now).
I will definitely share with you on how to handle both of these situations when it arises.
Update of Reality Blog
Terrence and Xin2
At last, things are starting to warm up a little with regards to the story development. The saga now plods along after a long period of inertia.
I have finally found some time to call Xin2 to enquire on her well being. What I have learnt from the conversation is that:
a) Xin2 has indicated to me that she might take up Terrence’s offer (she has not told Terrence yet and is waiting for Terrence to make the first move). She half jokingly told me to ask Terrence on her behalf and that if Terrence is not interested, I should be her Patron.
(Just like many of us, PRC mei mei too likes to create options for herself – even when in a Patron, boyfriend or spousal relationship. It’s a natural and logical thing to do. What a smart partner and/or patron must do is actually create a false illusion in the mei mei range of options i.e. non viable options that appear ‘realistic’ to her mind. So that when she actually does exercise the so called options, she will invariably fail. And it usually leads to her swallowing her pride and come back to you – empowering you tremendously. More about this later!)
b) Xin2 tried to run tables at Jade, Amani and Dongmen and finds it tiring (but of course!) and an alien experience after being away from the scene for ‘so long’. I mentioned to her that she was operating on a mummy system the last time and that pushing doors to prospect for a tai might not suit her temperament as she is generally the non agressive sort. In order to thrive in this surrounding, she has to stretch her and learn to be agressive!
(Some readers may recall that I had suggested the mummy-less system for Xin2 the last time. I just knew that Xin2 is not able to cope in such an environment and will be thus more receptive toward Terrence’s offer.)
c) She has also moved out of the apartment at Sims and is now staying with a friend (she told me about her new place but I have forgotten it)
Warbird & JJ
For your convenience I shall quote Warbird’s latest report/post on the situation:
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Originally Posted by
warbird
I’m happy to report that JJ n I hv reached total agreement as to the terms of BY. Due to my circumstances n time constraints, the RS will begin on 13 July for half a month, until 29 of July when she leaves for China. I guess extension would be optional.
In the meantime, I suggest that she work at DC as I could intro some frens/mummies to help her. She is not interested bcos she doesn’t enjoy running KTV, she says. She adds that should I change my mind, be sure to tell her early for she may just return to China. I hv promised to give her a good time….
Jus and XH
Not being too meticulous or calculative, but I think I have crossed the ten times fuck session that make the $1500 monthly “retainer/allowance/fee” worth it. (see my earlier post!)
It is still going on very well in terms with Love Wayangs and sex (quantity if not quality presently). In fact, XH hardly going out to run KTV anymore. She seems to be always at home when I called. ANd when its work time, its no longer at Amani/Dong Men anymore but at one of the joints at Selegie/Peace Centre!
By the way, despite the throes of lovey and dovey expressions by XH, I had actually wanted her to get off her ‘lazy ass’ and to work more as I have got other damsels* and work matters to take care of. In addition, I also don’t want the situation whereby she realises at the end of the month her ‘meagre’ takings and start cajoling me for more allowance!
(*Will post who these are later in this thread. It should be obvious that XH is not the only one that I have on my sexual plate
)
XH is also getting a little bit more adventurous when it comes to sex. I requested that she put on a skirt without any underwear last night just in case we get randy and want to try it at a public place. She puts on a white micro mini skirt without any panties. I am sure some people must have gotten a couple of free shows as I can clearly see her pubes when she is getting on and off my car. (And no, we did not “do it” at a public place that nite as I wanted to catch the show “The Tonight Show - with Conan O’brien)
All in all, mostly favourable developments for all the would be Patrons in the reality blog. Cheers!
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Originally Posted by
warbird
You’re amazingly adept in this game. You must be very charming, perhaps relatively young n handsome as well.
What do u do if they fall for u?
Have u ever BY-ed more than one gal at a time?
Thx n good night!
Hi Warbird,
Remember in my earlier thread I mentioned that in order to be more ‘objective’ one needs to “tell it as it is” without fear of people looking down on you or deem you a “hao lian” (braggart)? Well this is an appropriate moment where I have to live up to my own credo.
I will endeavour to meet up with you sometime in July when you back so that you can literally “see” what I mean. I will even share some secrets of mine!
(I will also share in the course of this thread the many challenges I faced and how come I possess the
“skill set
” that I now have. It
is literally forged from living life, making massive mistakes and learning and then later profiting from it.
I sincerely believe that I can save a lot of heartache and pain for patient readers by showing them the pitfalls to avoid and the shortcuts to experience sexual fulfillment.
As this
skill-set is holistic
in nature, it will rub onto other aspects of your life. Hence this skill can be translated as
a life (and lifestyle) guide as well.
I know that this can be done because I myself have been guided by mentors and have personally field ‘tested’ the validity of its principles against my own personal life experiences.
One is in Thailand (two years now) and the other one is PRC national (ex waitress) here. I also have a ‘regular’ girl friend (who knows and more or less accepts my philandering ways – but still occasionally gets upset about it
).
And by the way, this is not ‘advertising’ at all: I got no monetary incentive whatsoever from this disclosure and recommendation. In fact I may run the risk of this being out of stock should word get round quickly and brothers start to buy it.
The product is “Tribestan” (As far as I know, you can only get it in KK hospital pharmacy). It is recommended by a sexual specialist friend of mine. I field tested it and feel that it not only it enhances the libido but gives you energy and virility too! (Usual disclaimer applies: it may or may not have the same effect on you!).
* I also take other supplements such as Nitric Oxide, Chinese herbs etc …. but the others are all the usual ‘suspects’ and commonly known ones.
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Originally Posted by
justime
The product is “Tribestan” (As far as I know, you can only get it in KK hospital pharmacy). It is recommended by a sexual specialist friend of mine. I field tested it and feel that it not only it enhances the libido but gives you energy and virility too! (Usual disclaimer applies: it may or may not have the same effect on you!).
* I also take other supplements such as Nitric Oxide, Chinese herbs etc …. but the others are all the usual ‘suspects’ and commonly known ones.
Thought I just like to clarify that the “sexual specialist” is medical specialist- urology, sexual and reproductive health are his area of domain specialisation. First met him when my ex-wife and me is trying to conceive. (Thank god its not to be!)