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Its axiomatic I know, but there are plenty of fishes in the sea. You must go out to seek them constantly. Forget the one that got away, Look out for the overall catch. My best mistress ever is one that I initially overlook and did not even want to have ST at first!
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Face the facts: a lot of the WLs are here for primarily for money. Love is secondary. Don’t focus on the exception whereby the lady sacrifices money for love. Focus instead on the majority of cases (and the likelihood that despite your best efforts, you may never get into her heart at all).
- Love, infatuation and affection by the WL is extremely transient. It can be replaced by cold hard pragmatic consideration in an instant. Today she might think the world of you and the very next day she will think that you are dirt simply because you not indulge her the way she wants or just simply a new better prospect comes into her life.
- In actually getting her to agree to be your mistress. And your modus operandi and approach in getting to that agreement was spot on as you dictated terms throughout.
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You controlled the financial transaction throughout. You are not bullied into paying upfront the entire sum. And you get to have sex with her. Many men I know will not even go past first base for a “difficult to chu jie girl” like JJ despite spending crazy money.
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You actually get to shag a pretty girl with good potential to go very high in the aesthetics department. If JJ were to apply the right grooming technique, I tell you, many men will fall under her spell. She is tall and her figure is nicely proportionate – the type whereby appeals to many men here.
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Yes, you may pay a little more than a direct chu jie transaction but this is mitigated by the fact that money is saved as it was done outside a KTV scenario.
- The vid is NOT of M, but of some random Chinese girl! BTW:
- This is the only picture I have of M without her face showing, taken from my crap piece of Nokia handphone. You can meet the real thing (clothed of course!)
- Yes, I do recognize that love and sex can be expressed in a myriad of ways. Some prefer being the dominant party, others the submissive. One side of the scale is sheer hedonistic debauchery while the other side is celibacy. Having a Patron based Mistress relationship is certainly not for everyone. Numerous people are happy and contented to operate only within the matrix of a monogamous relationship. All are valid choices with no one superior over the other.
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Originally Posted by
Koreanlover
Well bro Justime, I did not offer to BY my new target as explained by this incident.
SMS her yesterday afternoon and the conversation went :
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Me - Well I just got to know you, why don’t I offer to pay half so at least you could buy the bag. Would you “chu jie” with me tonight?
(I could afford the LV easily but I want to be in a dominant position from ths start and thus testing how she reacts)
After 30 mins of silence…
She - You already know I don’t Chu Jiie
(it could really mean she don’t go to hotels and that she wanted me to pay for the whole bag. Well since she does not want my first offer, I did not proffer any further. )
Me - ok thanks. See you at TAM next time.
Hi Koreanlover, you are right to walk away from the deal. She just wants to have her cake and eat it too.
We may marvel at how this so very obvious modus operandi can work when calmer minds prevail. But know this: many men (I hope that no readers of this thread would be among them) would have gone right in and offered to buy her the LV bag in the hope that it will touch her heart in actual situation.
By at least ‘refusing’ at the outset, you are one up on all the Uninformed Robert wannabes.
Please do not buy into the ludicrous premise that by lavishing the prospect an expensive gift, you will win her heart. What you are buying for yourself is only a self perceived notion that you are foremost in her consideration vis-à-vis her other suitors (which she will invariably have).
Potential Suitor Ball park mathematics: I have actually sat down with at least ten WLs (mostly my ex-mistress) to work out the number of new men they met in a month.
Assuming a relatively conservative estimate of just three (new) tables a night for twenty nights; it will yield sixty different reactions/prospects for her*. Out of this sixty, I am sure there will be some who mistaken think the fantasy element of a KTV mirrors real life. There will definitely be some uninformed Roberts in the mix who will woo her by throwing money.
* (Come on, even for an unmotivated WL like XH working for slightly less than a month here, there are 153 men in her calling list!)
Self delusion aside, imagine paying a thousand plus simply for just the chance to be considered as her potential suitor – one of many too I might add!
Might as well book her at least five times at her nite club and use her ‘trap’ situation to ensnare her!
Talking about self delusion, many a time we subconsciously dis-empower ourselves by limiting our choice. Once we see some beauty we like, we stop the hunt and focus on the single prey. There is no basis for this limitation except that she appeals to our sense of aesthetics currently. We then make it on our mind that she is unique and rare. We let her beauty so enamored us that we overlook (or intentional overlook) her flaws and materialistic ways.
There is some much to elaborate but so little time here to do so.
I may be way off the mark
but I sense that you are trying quite hard to replace your earlier “failure” by demonstrating quick success with another WL (instead of just taking it casual and take the love wayangs and sex as it comes.)
In case my intuition is correct, please just remember these quick wisdoms when dealing with a potential prospect:
Work on the basis that the women are materialistic and are out to take you for all you have got. Using this as a premise, see how you can take advantage of this fact for your own benefit.
The reason why the masterstrokes work and are so powerful is because it extrapolates the most effective and efficient course of action based on the above premise.
Despite XH (got some new updates to share) extreme love wayangs for me currently, I never for once dismiss or forget the notion that the co called infatuation / love / like can be switched off easily and be replaced by a money grabbing attitude or that she may ‘butterfly’ when a better prospect come along.
The attitude above should NOT be construed to mean that I see ulterior motive in all her actions or that I don’t enjoy the pampering and saying sessions!
Thinking that once you won her heart, it will be permanent is worse than not making any headway in the first instance.
Take care and fun bro!
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Originally Posted by
warbird
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Thx for stressing that emotional discipline is the key.
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It’s really very bad news. An experienced bro told me yesterday that my heart is too soft n that I hv to be a player rather than a playee. He is 100% right. Once a gal knows that I like her, she will play hard to get n try to squeeze money out of me w/o going to bed. I need to change my mindset n treat these PRC MMs like common whores.
Perhaps I was poisoned by the American saying: “You treat a queen like a whore and a whore like a queen. You can’t go wrong.” I now know that is total BS.
Thx again for intro JJ. Although I might hv paid her above market rate, I met her outside KTVs n didn’t spend a penny on drinks, etc.
Hi warbird, do you know whether JJ will be coming to SIN again?
Anyway, I think overall you did quite well in the handling of the situation. Don’t berate yourself on paying premium (‘above’ market rate). We are all victims of paying for the “golden pussy” syndrome at some points of our cheonging life!
Yes, some girls are tough to chu jie (and I rate JJ as being one of them). And you being a TAM regular would no doubt witness cases whereby even if a thousand dollars are proffered for that ‘golden pussy’ it is turned down. So in the grand scheme of things, you did alright:
I really like the part whereby you negotiated / communicated your sexual expectations with her. Sex is part of the equation in the BY and you did not leave this all important aspect vague like a lot of Uninformed Brothers in their attempts to BY. If you leave it vague, it usually means that it will be her discretion whether to dispense her pussy (if at all) and at her convenience not yours!
So for a first foray using a ‘new’ approach, you did rather well, An you will get even better in time.
Again add to the fact that JJ set her chu jie value very high, all in all you did get a bargain of sorts and you did well.
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Originally Posted by
Blue_gal
if me got “material” to do the “trade” .. i might consider…..to forgo the PRIDE ..
But tHen i think i still hv some to keep for myself…at least
n i believe in HARD EARNED MONEY … like the COW in the field…
Well, if i am the GUY wif the $$$$ i would also like n can afford to choose what i wanna in life…
Good LUck guy with too many 2 cents worth..
Cheer~
BitChy Blue AUntiE
Welcome to the thread Blue Girl (how appropriate the Smurfette avatar!).
For a self proclaimed ‘auntie’ you displayed remarkably many cool factors in your post. : like the use of colour blue to harmonize with your nick, the radical insinuation of liking it ‘raw’ in your signature and tHe quirky uSe of cAPitalisations iN yOUr post …. I also like the way you refer to the “pussy” as Catand the thinly veiled sexual reference of ‘water’ in the well!
I am not sure if the “material” you refer to is the looks or beauty, but at least you have the psychological pre-disposition to tease up an interest. And with this you can ensnare a lot men if you so choose!
Blue Girl, I have not seen your other posts save what you write here in this thread earlier; and already initial vibes are showing that you must be:
i) one hell of a sassy girl
ii) guy adopting a girl persona in the net
iii) “one of the guys” kinda of lady (working in a predominantly male setting!).
iv) in the advertising or “entertainment” line – our kind of entertainment.
v) none of the above? simply a salaried worker ekeing out a living?
Whatever it is, I simply love the different tone and flavour you bring in the thread Blue Girl! Do provide your views and perspective now and then on this subject of empowerment and some anecdotes about your personal life. I sure many brothers including myself would be interested to hear more from you!
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by
warbird
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I doubt that she will be back to work at KTVs here. She chose to leave Sat 18 July, 11 days prior to her visa expiration.
I hv her China HP n we hv exchanged SMSes. I’m beginning to miss her. I remember her puzzled facial expressions when I was having a dialog in Hokkien w/ two middle-aged men, both complete strangers, in a restaurant. We were talking abt her n she must hv vaguely sensed it. She looked demure n so very cute n pretty. I should hv kept her just for companionship.
Of course she will return as someone’s mistress or er nai. I may want to be that someone when I come back in Nov (hopefully), haha. I’ll need to arrange for suitable accommodation.
Good day!!
Hi warbird, I can literally imagine in my mind’s eye what you meant when you said “she looked so demure n so very cute n pretty”! Got to say that JJ is a real gem.
Just a quick question: when will you be leaving Singapore? Coming back only in Nov? I am sure many bros here will miss you and your “sessions”. Do PM or SMS me if you are organising a seesion for this week okay? I just cancelled an overseas trip and may have some time to finally meet you!
In order to help you forget JJ, I have a new recommendation. I have not heretofore shared in my thread but I have a Viet gal as well. And she is currently here n Singapore. Let me tell you that she has one of the most beautiful tits I carressed. Big, succulent and natural, fair with pink nips, all encased in a soft delicate skin. Sorry warbird, I will be having her (M is the name) for myself so I cannot do a handover to you.
However, I heard that her younger sister is in town as well.
I will introduce/recommend M’s younger sister to you. Make it a double date (wow … feels like I’m a teenager!). I have not met up with M’s younger sis, but if genes are any indication, maybe you will be thanking me for some good mammaries / memories!
FYI they are
not
WL. And they are in their early 20’s. Both are fair complexion but relatively short height wise. (Not my current flavour but what the heck - those are nice hooters!).
M by the way can speak Mandarin and Cantonese well enough for serious dialogue. Her younger sister is however not so proficient. More importantly for both of us - they are not averse to interacting with slightly more mature men!
If okay, SMS / PM me. I will contact M (and through her - her younger sis) to see if they are available to go “dating” this week. Together we can go makan (talking literally about food here) at either a Jap or Viet restuarent. Just a casual date (and see what takes off from there) - no need to talk about BY and all that!
Sorry to bring in yet another character in this thread. As they may be too many different characters already in this thread (which may confuse some readers), I will go easy with this storyline*.
* M and I do have some interesting story which I will narrate somewhere in this thread when espousing some principle.
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Originally Posted by
Loving_Dickhead
Incidentally, I have almost stopped going to TAM or LV. Nowadays, I am mostly doing my entertaining at Dynasty. Perhaps oneday, we should have a get-together, for all fun sake.
Hi LD, I feel like taking a short break from Havelock area joints and go to a place where the playability factor is higher. Just for a change of scene.
I am thinking of paying BS a long overdue re-visit (preferably during HH where the girls are more plentiful!)
I do find it harder to get friends to accompany me to the cheaper joints vis-a-vis the expensive ones.
(As I write this, I smiled at the recollection of Terrence’s reaction - after overcoming his initial shock at the “mauling” he received from the aggressive BS babes in trying to sit table).
Only potential setback with this plan: from what I read in the BS thread, it appears that the ‘action’ now is very much reduced. Nonetheless, I am game for a BS session this week!
(Alternatively as a compromise, we can visit the newly renovated Kabuki. Haven’t been there for ages - ever since my singer mistress ‘broke up with me’).
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Originally Posted by
warbird
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I’m really very flattered for ur willingness to intro M’s younger sister. I hv quite a few quarries on my sight n probably can’t add another one as I’m still constrained by time. It wouldn’t do her justice.
BTW, I’m not averse to going to less expensive joints as I hv discovered some gems there before.
Cheers!
Great talking to you warbird. As promised, I will give you hints of M’s “quality” as below. I have to however reiterate that I have
not
met M’s younger sister.
Apologies for this ‘private’ conversation, but not to worry I will ‘contextualised’ the below by narrating how I won her (as a ‘gf’ and not mistress). I can do the gf thingy as well in addition to being a consumate patron!
M’s move better than the SYT in the vid
BTW I am NOT a collector of pics and vids (Learnt from Edison’s experience) just a token few for keepsake.
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Originally Posted by
formidable
Extract from Net:Economics n Psychology of Commercial Sex.
A pros is like renting a car.
A mistress is like buying a car.
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With a mistress, u can have natural sex with her, as natural as the birds and bees.
With a pros, she normally won’t wet kiss u, insist u bathe n put on condom before u make love. Meanwhile u r restraint from doing cunnilingus on her becos of hygiene factors. U must bathe,payup and leave the room after hour is up. Most of the time, you can’t sleep overnite with her after sex.
Not many men can afford a mistress.
When I talk of pros and mistress, I refer to woman who r much younger and beautiful than the wife tat one can confidently court.
It’s no point renting a KIA compact when u urself own a BMW700.
In this case, u will get ur kicks when u rent a Rolls Royce or a Lincoln stretched limo.
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Hi Bro Formidable, this is an excellent extract. Thank you for sharing this with us all!
There are key differences between Mistress, Girlfriend and pros! The essence of a Mistress is a hybraid between the Girl-friend and Pros. If you apply the right strategies, you will get the best of both these worlds (while minimizing the ‘bad’).
Also I do apologise for not posting and updating this thread for a couple of days. Mentally fatiqued.
In addition, besides work, I have also been busy in the KTV trenches: in the last three days, I have visited 4 KTV: Mirage (less than an hour - I finally met with bro Warbird and Do You BJ!), Macau, New Shanghai, Jade and Sandborn.
Best of the lot; according to my perception is Macau.
Have to be fair to Mirage though - my time there was too short for any substantial findings. And some girls look quite appealing on a quick scan basis.
BTW Bro Do You BJ is quite in his element at the KTV. (DYBJ: Thanks for the intro of mms (esp the assistant, A)- I really like her style. I also like your style!)
That being said, there are plentiful of events happening on the Reality Blog front. I will try to overcome my inertia and post soon! (And this post is written between shots with XH who will be leaving for China for about two months from this weekend.)
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Originally Posted by
DO_YOU_BJ
Hi Bro Jus, aint everyday that I’m honoured to meet a MISTRESS Guru like yourself.
For you to appear for just 1 hour already give me alot of face liao
Like you said, your 1st wife expenses already kill my 3wives hands down…this I really salute you……my wives make money for me, whereas you make money for your wife….you’re really my idol…..
Can I be your disciple pls pls pls hehehehehehe
Hi DYBJ, do I detect a hint of sarcasm here?
Anyway, I think that on grand scheme of things, you are on a higher plane than me. Your 3 wives make money for you? Literally or figuratively? (Wanted to hear an elaboration but have to leave for my conf call!). DYBJ, you are like a lion, the king of the plains where a pride of lioness do the hunting for you. (You must have given them some ‘psychic’ reward such as multiple sexual orgasms!). An enviable position indeed.
For me, I have to generate income in order to feed them ladies. Unlike you, I am not sure how many of them will stay with me once I don’t possess the wherewithal and ability to materially support them! I am sure one will but until that happens, it is only guesswork - and I will make sure that such a situation will not happen.
So for that alone, you are indeed the master on the higher plane. And I have to learn from you!
(By the way, the first wife is now my “ex”. We are divorced. Although not Paul Macartney ’terok’ - it still cost me hell of a lot. Including one house. I now live with my parents (in addition to my “alternative accomodation” at my Love Nest - from where I am typing this post).
Cheers bro!
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Originally Posted by
DO_YOU_BJ
FYI, my wives run my business, all have their portfolios….thus the reason why they make money for me…and thus, for themselves…….
I’m not on any plane bro, I’m just a legally unemployed noob who does nottin but wastes his life, what’s left of it, away at KTVs that’s all.
Very modest of you DYBJ! You cannot be a noob if you enriched someones life positively!
The fact that you set up your wives to run your businesses (and making money for themselves in the process) is very noble. It is a perfect expression of symbiotic relationship. I know exactly what you are talking about, I set up shop for my Thai mistress, Paeng. From an employee, she is now a business owner. (She is supposed to share the proceeds of the profit to me but I didn’t insist!)
BTW, I sent you a special PM and I sincerely hope that you will do me the honours by accepting the proposal there!
(No … nothing risque at all. I assure all that I am still a 100% commited heterosexual!)
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Originally Posted by
warbird
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Unfortunately, ur one-hr appearance was too brief. I would love to meet u soon in the near future.
……..I guess we just hv to accept the fact that our dear bro DYBJ has no peers in this arena. Fortunately, there r plenty of chio gals for everyone, hahaha.
BTW, he literally just lifted a little finger n got me a chio 18 yo singer to BY!! And she is my type of meat…D
Good day!!
Yes, certainly gotta give props to DYBJ …. he is great! in person and with a good network to boot!
BTW, what is the present status of the 18 yr old singer? accepted your offer? or should I say has she consumated the offer?
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Originally Posted by
ansonsohna
I also want to tell bro jus thank you for lending me $480. he say he give me, but I promise to myself to pay him all back (plus interest plus blanjar him a session at pub).
i also make a commitment will not drink so much and use this drinking $ to pay him back asap when my personal situ better. (Bro Jus, Hoong ki cannot quit just like that leh - one packet a day tops okay?)
and to make this relevant here, i want to just tell everybody here tat the relationship w self most important. & tat when things are in the most 倒楣 stage, i cannot retreat in shell & ‘wallow in self pity’. bro jus will intro someone soon to meet me just to build my gal interaction skill and bring up my self confident.
非常,非常感謝 to you bro justime ……..
You are most welcome Anson!
I am a non smoker, so perhaps I can not understand the physical craving and provide a proper cessation strategies. Maybe bro who managed to successfully quit the habit can advise bro anson.
Only thing I know is that a packet of cigs costs about $11.60. And if you quit cold turkey, its $340 per month ‘savings’ which might come in handy for you.
Don’t worry too much about the money I passed you. Treat it like I open one bottle in TAM and invite you to party. (Rest assure, I shall not be apply the rough strong arm tactic of spraying “O$P$” on your doorstep!)
Most important of all is for you to take care of your situation first. And I have the utmost confidence in you that you can and will do so.
Cheers!
Brilliant brilliant exposition Bro DYBJ! Clap! Clap! Clap!
Thank you so very much for the hard hitting style of Reality Check! Simply loved it!
(I read it twice - second time very carefully. And there are indeed many lessons here!)
Got to apologize to everyone that I have been quite remiss in posting these couple of days. I am also not very diligent in updating the “reality blog”.
First off, got to mention the fact that XH has left for China (Shenyang) on Sunday. Permanently or not, I don’t know presently.
However, prior to her leaving, I spent the entire Friday, Saturday and Part of Sunday on a mini honeymoon jaunt with her. As such, I do not really have the time or inclination to post any message, except occasionally logging in to have a quick read. (Details about XH to follow ……)
Just a couple of thoughts:
Different Viewpoints
What I am very encouraged to note is the sheer multiplicity of opinions and counterviews being expressed here. It shows independence of opinion and thought. It demonstrates the rich tapestry of different experiences of each Cheonging encounter(s).
I have maintained throughout in this thread that I do not possess all the answers. I am also pretty confident that there does NOT exists a unified singular BY – Cheong – GF – relationship theory that can be applicable for ALL brothers.
In this regard, I thereby actively encourage every reader here to formulate their own personal relationship principle(s) in the context of your unique life’s journey.
A flashback on some of my earlier posts if you will:
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Originally Posted by
justime
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Originally Posted by
justime
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Remember to always judge the success of a strategy against actual experience and results
and not what you think should be correct.
Take my statement at face value and validate it yourself against the actual result of your interaction if you should take my advise
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Originally Posted by
justime
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It should be bladdy obvious that you should question why something is bladdy obvious in the first place !!!!
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by
justime
Despite the heavy theorizing in this thread, I am pretty sure that most of you would have deduced by now that I am a firm advocate of “praxis”. Don’t believe what I write no matter how eloquent I sound. Theory must be validated against experience in order to make it meaningful and of use to you. Ultimately, there is NO substitute for direct experience.
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Whether you are hesitant on BY or simply want to just empower yourself a little within the context of your present relationship - Just dive into it experientially.
Go for the ride and bear in mind the principles I mentioned. Apply the concepts and masterstrokes and you will see that your journey is so much more enjoyable. Test it – “rubber hits road” against your own experience. If you had a bad experience previously, all the better. You will plainly see the stark difference between what you have done wrong previously and the new improved approach you take in courting girls or BY.
To be continued …